Cup RACE thread --- Daytona

AUGUST 27, 2023 AT 2:55 AM

UPDATE: NASCAR Cup Series driver Ryan Preece will remain overnight at Halifax Health Medical Center for continued observation. The driver of the No. 41 Ford Mustang for Stewart-Haas Racing is awake, alert and mobile and has been communicating with family and friends. Preece will undergo another evaluation by medical personnel later this morning. An update will be provided in the afternoon.
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Preece's car made contact with the ground like only 5 times during his 11 flips. Nuts.

There was one angle where it's hard to see the car due to all the dirt being kicked up. Reminds me of Michael Waltrip in 2004 in the 500 where you couldn't see the car.

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Did not have a chance to watch. You tube replays only, what happened to Larson at the end
 
Whiskyb said:
Did not have a chance to watch. You tube replays only, what happened to Larson at the end
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Nothing. Larson had probably a top 5 car. Big one out of turn 4, he wasn't involved, but got flat tires from avoiding the wreck and was stuck. Went 3 laps down.

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Dr_B_UNC said:
He got a flat tire from locking the brakes to avoid the Ty Gibbs big one, and they didn’t get him towed back until he’d lost a couple laps. Unreal
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He and Elliott were going well too. Larson made his way through the field and was committed to Elliott, but then Preece's crash put him to the back, and Elliott lose his shot there.

Such a joke. Going to probably need to win early in the round of 16/12 to get a buffer

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TexasRaceLady said:
Great news!

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I was more worried about Blaney. Hard impact.
The Preece wreck was more spectacular, but I dont think he hit anything as hard or stopped as hard. It definitely had dreadful potential but I was thinking as long his belts were tight that a concussion would be the worse case scenario. Those seats are cocoon like, and along with a HANS, I think they make a flip much more survivable.
Note: I realize concussions are serious I am thinking or writing more in terms of survival
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Yeah, let's argue over the safety of the cars instead of the style of racing that forces drivers to run in a huge pack, unable to get away from each other, until the inevitable human error.
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How about drivers learn how to drive this style instead of driving like moronic assholes? Human error isn’t inevitable, we’ve had a caution free pack race. I am tired of fans making excuses for poor driving.

We’ve had pack racing for over 20 years at this point. When done well, it’s great. When done poorly, you get the **** we’ve seen the last few years.

Plate racing is a skill, these assholes need to learn it.
 
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The Nature Boy said:
How about drivers learn how to drive this style instead of driving like moronic assholes? Human error isn’t inevitable, we’ve had a caution free pack race. I am tired of fans making excuses for poor driving.

We’ve had pack racing for over 20 years at this point. When done well, it’s great. When done poorly, you get the **** we’ve seen the last few years.

Plate racing is a skill, these assholes need to learn it.
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From the pre-race discussion:

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Daytona Speedway 2 Pre-Race Thread

No rain in the forecast. What's that all about ? Yeah FL had a lot of dry air roll in earlier this week from what I saw
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"The last time less than 50% of the cars crashed in the Coke Zero 400 was in 2007 when only 16 cars were in crashes. In the last 15 years, the cleanest race was 2019, when only 25 cars crashed."

We've had pack racing for over 20 years, and half the pack wrecks regularly. Maybe it's not the drivers.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
We've had pack racing for over 20 years, and half the pack wrecks regularly. Maybe it's not the drivers.
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They’re the ones making the mistakes so it is the drivers.

NASCAR had a way to solve the pack racing problem but people bitched about the two car tandem and the ability of drivers to coordinate with each other over the radio.
 
The Nature Boy said:
They’re the ones making the mistakes so it is the drivers.

NASCAR had a way to solve the pack racing problem but people bitched about the two car tandem and the ability of drivers to coordinate with each other over the radio.
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Funny you should say that. The tandem period was the only time I looked forward to Daytona and Talladega
 
Charlie Spencer said:
From the pre-race discussion:

racing-forums.com

Daytona Speedway 2 Pre-Race Thread

No rain in the forecast. What's that all about ? Yeah FL had a lot of dry air roll in earlier this week from what I saw
racing-forums.com racing-forums.com

"The last time less than 50% of the cars crashed in the Coke Zero 400 was in 2007 when only 16 cars were in crashes. In the last 15 years, the cleanest race was 2019, when only 25 cars crashed."

We've had pack racing for over 20 years, and half the pack wrecks regularly. Maybe it's not the drivers.
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This honestly is the authority on the topic.

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Charlie Spencer said:
I'd agree with you if it was only a limited group of the same drivers regularly making mistakes. It isn't. And they're all human; it's impossible to eliminate mistakes with cars as unstable as these.
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The problem is that some of these mistakes are just plain stupidity and should be easily fixable. Pushing someone in the corner used to be a no-no and throwing a block when the oncoming car is way faster than you is insane. And there's little accountability. A lot of these guys make dumb moves and then shrug their shoulders in the post-accident interview and say "that's just plate racing."

Has The Big One always been a looming threat in plate racing? Yes. But the actions of current drivers make it more likely and dangerous than it has to be. There were races in the early-mid 2000s where we had no big one. I don't think that could happen today. The degradation of plate racing skills is a real problem.
 
StandOnIt said:
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How was it any different than Sterling getting out to fix the fender? I know he didn’t touch the car, but come on. The field stopped and he drove in circles to “Fix” his car to put out a fire. I know it’s a stretch, but typical NASCAR…. How is it driver protection? He could have gotten out
 
Growing up, I was always a huge fan of superspeedway racing. After last night, I think NASCAR needs to consider some changes. Perhaps let them go back to tandem or something. The racing product in those tracks is way too dangerous. It's statistically guaranteed that at least half the field will be involved in wrecks.

There were two incidents last night where the drivers easily could've gotten hurt. The Preece barrel roll is one of the wildest flips I've ever seen. Blaney wouldn't have survived that impact 20 years ago.

These drivers are skilled, but people don't understand just how hard it is to drive in big packs of cars @ 180 MPH. That's why these races produce so many meme winners. Something has to change.
 
Nitro Dude said:
It almost turned out to be just the opposite. 😃
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That would have been unfortunate. ;) ;)
Tbh while you could at least technically argue Bowman was getting some extra seat time, although in a totally different discipline, Chase missed the playoffs this year more honestly due to stupidity. Especially since he still had a really good chance of making it when Charlotte happened.

An idea. Maybe going forward they could set a limit for example one waiver person season. It doesn't mean they can't miss more than one race, the races they miss would just have to be consecutive ones so that they all count on the same waiver.

For example if someone would get hurt and miss 4-5 weeks or so then return, they could get a waiver, but if they pull some **** like that two races later and get suspended, too bad you already used your waiver this year.
It would also provide some extra incentive not to do anything to get suspended, and of course they should be smart enough to limit the extracurriculars anyway for the season if they've already been out once so there shouldn't be an issue there either imo.
 
JJ_14 said:
Growing up, I was always a huge fan of superspeedway racing. After last night, I think NASCAR needs to consider some changes. Perhaps let them go back to tandem or something. The racing product in those tracks is way too dangerous. It's statistically guaranteed that at least half the field will be involved in wrecks.

There were two incidents last night where the drivers easily could've gotten hurt. The Preece barrel roll is one of the wildest flips I've ever seen. Blaney wouldn't have survived that impact 20 years ago.

These drivers are skilled, but people don't understand just how hard it is to drive in big packs of cars @ 180 MPH. That's why these races produce so many meme winners. Something has to change.
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Just as they have done so many times in the past after a blowover/flip etc, I definitely expect them to do something to reduce the speeds for Dega. There is precedent with crashes that weren't nearly as bad as last night.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
How was it any different than Sterling getting out to fix the fender? I know he didn’t touch the car, but come on. The field stopped and he drove in circles to “Fix” his car to put out a fire. I know it’s a stretch, but typical NASCAR…. How is it driver protection? He could have gotten out
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Thats a tough call. Your make some good points. But a fire needs to be extinguished immediately, in Marlins case it wasn't an immediate need. He had the option of taking it to pit riad for service once the race resumed without and worries of the car burning up and putting many others at risk.

Maybe they should have made Kez go to end of the longest line, I really don't know. I do believe cars are allowed to stop on the track or in the pits prior to intial green to recheck their seat belts without penalty. Sometimes it is impossible to be precise on all the possibile details. Maybe they have not had to adress an issue exactly like this one and didnt have a potocol to follow.

They will probabably add a case like this one to the catalog of ways RC should respond going forward
 
hmmm298 said:
if someone would get hurt and miss 4-5 weeks or so then return, they could get a waiver, but if they pull some **** like that two races later and get suspended, too bad you already used your waiver this year.
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There should be no waiver for a penalty suspension, period.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Still the GOAT when it comes to NASCAR interviews.
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Tony has a goldmine of interviews but I think this is the GOAT interview.

What kills me is Bob Pocrass trying to break in, and ask "I can't tell if your upset or what".

And Tony doubles down "No, I'm upset that we didn't crash more cars!"

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Dr_B_UNC said:
How was it any different than Sterling getting out to fix the fender? I know he didn’t touch the car, but come on. The field stopped and he drove in circles to “Fix” his car to put out a fire. I know it’s a stretch, but typical NASCAR…. How is it driver protection? He could have gotten out
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Meanwhile, Larson is stuck 3 laps down because he can't get a toe for a friggin flat.

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