AJ Allmendinger's defense disputed

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CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- It is highly unlikely that AJ Allmendinger's positive test for amphetamines came from a single pill taken one time as the suspended Sprint Cup driver recently stated, a source close to the situation told ESPN.com.

It also is highly unlikely that Allmendinger will complete NASCAR's Road to Recovery program necessary for reinstatement by the end of August as the driver stated, the source said.

"That's not going to happen," the source said. Allmendinger, who drove the No. 22 Penske Racing Dodge in Sprint Cup, was suspended indefinitely by NASCAR on July 24. He likely will need a lengthier recovery period, according to the source.

The driver said last week that the positive test resulted from prescription Adderal that he was given by the friend of a friend two days before he was randomly tested at Kentucky Speedway on June 29. Adderall is administered medically to control symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

However, the source told ESPN.com that Allmendinger's one-pill defense is not consistent with the test results.

Adderall can remain in a person's system up to 72 hours, but the source said that in Allmendinger's case it was "very unlikely that one-pill usage one time would be detected after 24 hours."

Adderall does contain compounds of amphetamines, but so do other prescription and illegal drugs.

"They're all going to be on their banned list," said Dr. Don Catlin, co-founder and president of Anti-Doping Research & Support Clean Sport and founder and the former director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Lab.

Catlin said that without knowing the dosage of the pill and the level of sensitivity in the laboratory testing he could not make an educated statement on whether one Adderall pill taken one time could produce a positive results. In general, Catlin said, Adderall would show in one's urine for a couple of days.

NASCAR officials have said they are unaware of the specific substance that Allmendinger ingested, other than it was an amphetamine. NASCAR has declined to comment beyond that.

NASCAR denied ESPN.com's request to interview Dr. David Black, who heads up the Nashville-based Aegis Sciences Corp. that runs the drug testing program for the sport, regarding Allmendinger's claims.

"We don't feel it's appropriate nor necessary at this time for NASCAR to discuss AJ Allmendinger's situation while he's undergoing the Road to Recovery program," NASCAR spokesman David Higdon said. "NASCAR's involvement remains as a facilitator between the program and AJ to provide him the necessary means to be considered for reinstatement."

Allmendinger, according to the source, also did not reveal to the medical review officer during standard questioning given before the random test that he took anything given to him by another person that possibly could register a positive test.

Such questions are common in other sports, with the Olympics' guidelines setting the standard.

"That should be the place where they disclose that on the intake form," Catlin said. "It's an opportunity for an athlete to say what they are doing and an opportunity to declare if they have a therapeutic use or exemption."

Allmendinger originally speculated while awaiting test results of the "B" sample split from his original sample that the positive test was triggered by a supplement or over-the-counter drug he might be taken.

Black, reached by ESPN.com last month, said this was unlikely.

"Certainly, if that had been a possibility (it) would have been ruled out before any action was taken,'' Black said. "On every positive test we have, we look to rule out the possibility of a supplement being involved.

"I'm not aware of any commercial products that would have influenced the test outcome.''

Allmendinger's reference to a prescription pill for Adderall wasn't mentioned until more than a month after he first was suspended.

Based on his experience with Olympic athletes, Catlin said it's not uncommon that they concoct stories to get a reduction in penalty for testing positive. The penalty for a positive test in the Olympics generally is a two-year ban from competition.

Catlin added it is Olympic policy to name the specific drug that was discovered in a test to avoid gray areas like there are in Allmendinger's situation and others.

"They just believe it's better to explain the program and facts and put out a lot of information than it is to put out information that can be read in a different way,'' Catlin said. "I certainly support that. It's a program I developed for them."

In most sports, amphetamines are considered a performance-enhancing drug because they increase aggression, confidence, alertness and concentration. Adderall is used by many who have been diagnosed with ADHD to help them to concentrate on tasks. Others, according to a 2011 report in USA Today's college section, use the drug to get high.

Allmendinger said he does not use Adderall as a therapy for ADHD.

Dr. Charles Yesalis, emeritus professor at Penn State and an expert on performance-enhancing drugs in sports, said Adderall and other amphetamine-based products definitely would enhance a racecar driver's performance.

"You're talking about a sport where a tenth of a second a lap difference is a big deal," he said. "It blows my mind the [drivers] that hit their mark every time. It's a no-brainer everybody would concede that in NASCAR concentration is unbelievably critical."

Because there hasn't been a specific case study on whether amphetamines might enhance a driver's performance, Catlin said advantages from the drug are purely speculative.

"I suppose if the drivers are looking to stay hyper-alert, that'll do it," Catlin said of the taking of amphetamines.

Yesalis said there is cause for skepticism when an athlete says he took a pill without fully knowing its contents.

"There's a lot of people that do it, but very few that are subject to drug testing," he said. "If you are a drug-tested athlete, you should be darn paranoid about it."

In his interview last week with ESPN.com, Allmendinger insisted he simply used "bad judgment."

"Unfortunately, I hadn't been sleeping very well all year, just putting all the pressure I did on myself," he said. "It was just bad judgment. People are going to write it was stupid on my part, and I agree with them."

http://m.espn.go.com/rpm/story?storyId=8271710
 
All the whereasses and wherefores and wherevers and whoevers make my head not to mention my ass hurt. :cool:
 
Stated, a source close to the situation.

This is exactly the reason I said AJ was done for when the A sample came back positive. A source close to the situation will get a president elected if the reporters carry the story.
 
Worthless article. Sounds like something from supermarket tabloid. "Sources close to the situation...",lol
 
People that tell me that I have my head up my ass and the people that agree with them are just showing their true colors. I generally take anything said on here with a grain of salt but not a direct attack. People that attack for no reason and the people that agree with them irritate the hell out of me, and other members of this forum.
It was a damn joke.I thought you being a gator that you would have thick skin but I guess I was wrong.Guess you can go on the list with Andy.Since both of you want to claim an attack with anything I say?
 
People that tell me that I have my head up my ass and the people that agree with them are just showing their true colors. I generally take anything said on here with a grain of salt but not a direct attack. People that attack for no reason and the people that agree with them irritate the hell out of me, and other members of this forum.

Perhaps a warning that you no longer can take a crude joke will help. I liked Mikes obvious wisecrack, and I liked your response. You used to laugh right along. If something has changed, just let us know.
 
Everything you read about anything it says "a source close to the situation". I think that's just a fancy way of saying the writers opinion.

Reminds me of "the pill came from a friend of a friend, who I don't even know". Fire vs Fire.
 
We'll know what AJ's counselor thinks of his denial story when we see how long he is in the program. AJ tried real hard to identify the drug as Adderall, but Aegis never tested to identify the source. The only way AJ could know what the pill actually was is if he knew what it was when he took it. A counselor may see that as a refusal to accept his drug use, and could decide to hold him until he decides to come clean on his own. He also went to great lengths to portray his only problem as stress, and that's what the counseling is for. I guarantee you that isn't how it works.
 
A source where? Within NASCAR? Within Penske?
It's the Mayfield saga all over again.

:rolleyes: X 1,000.

You gotta be kidding Andy. I wouldn't doubt the source is someone from NASCAR tamping down AJ's BS before some media type starts drawing parallels to the Mayfield case when AJ is still in the program next January.
 
:rolleyes: X 1,000.

You gotta be kidding Andy. I wouldn't doubt the source is someone from NASCAR tamping down AJ's BS before some media type starts drawing parallels to the Mayfield case when AJ is still in the program next January.
:eek: Nascar would do that? :eek:
 
AJ's going to find out pretty damn quick he never should've agreed to Road to Recovery. He'll be in that program permanently.
 
AJ's going to find out pretty damn quick he never should've agreed to Road to Recovery. He'll be in that program permanently.

He'll be in there until the counselor feels he is honestly dealing with whatever problem he has. For a year or 2 after, he will be subject to phone calls or text messages telling him to grab a kit and head down to some urine outpost and give a sample.
 
AJ's going to find out pretty damn quick he never should've agreed to Road to Recovery. He'll be in that program permanently.

Clarification please?:confused: Is it Nascar's actions or AJ's that has led to this? AJ's story is weak and quite frankly he's full of feces IMO.
 
He'll be in there until the counselor feels he is honestly dealing with whatever problem he has. For a year or 2 after, he will be subject to phone calls or text messages telling him to grab a kit and head down to some urine outpost and give a sample.
Sounds like you have a little more confidence in the system NOW.
 
Sounds like you have a little more confidence in the system NOW.

Yes, a little. But there are still huge holes in the whole thing. If I were a driver who wanted to use Amphetamines to improve my results, NASCAR's system would guarantee I wouldn't get caught.

I would still like to see a second lab test the B sample, because admitting a mistake would be so hard to do. If you bring your own expert, he only watches the procedure to begin the test, then everyone goes home and the results are given a couple of days later.
 
Yes, a little. But there are still huge holes in the whole thing. If I were a driver who wanted to use Amphetamines to improve my results, NASCAR's system would guarantee I wouldn't get caught.

I would still like to see a second lab test the B sample, because admitting a mistake would be so hard to do. If you bring your own expert, he only watches the procedure to begin the test, then everyone goes home and the results are given a couple of days later.

I see where you're going FB and I like it.....only thing is who's employing the second lab? Either way they'll be some crazy conspiracies out there. I like it though, two samples, two labs, HOPEFULLY one result:)
 
I see where you're going FB and I like it.....only thing is who's employing the second lab? Either way they'll be some crazy conspiracies out there. I like it though, two samples, two labs, HOPEFULLY one result:)

I would have an A and B sample sent to both labs at the same time. Both test their A, then report to nascar. If they don't match, nascar decides how to handle the B sample. If 2 labs test and find drugs, there would be no need for a driver expert at all.

Why not take random samples AFTER the race? The way it is now, I could pop pills and get in the car, knowing I wont be tested again until the next race weekend. I would be clean by then.
 
No, they do it before the race. I think AJ's was taken on Friday after practice.
Ummmm
Allmendinger suspended for failing drug test: UPDATES: NASCAR announced 90 minutes before the race that #22-A.J. Allmendinger has failed a random drug test and has been "temporarily" suspended. He was randomly selected and tested following the Kentucky race and his "A" sample tested positive. He has the right to request that NASCAR test his "B" sample. Should he refuse to have the "B" sample tested, or if that test is positive, the suspension will become indefinite. Sam Hornish will replace him in the #22 at Daytona.(7-7-2012)

Tested following the Kentucky race would mean after it right?????
 
Ummmm
Allmendinger suspended for failing drug test: UPDATES: NASCAR announced 90 minutes before the race that #22-A.J. Allmendinger has failed a random drug test and has been "temporarily" suspended. He was randomly selected and tested following the Kentucky race and his "A" sample tested positive. He has the right to request that NASCAR test his "B" sample. Should he refuse to have the "B" sample tested, or if that test is positive, the suspension will become indefinite. Sam Hornish will replace him in the #22 at Daytona.(7-7-2012)

Tested following the Kentucky race would mean after it right?????

Crap. Either my eyes are going bad, or my brain is toast. Sorry nascar. I thought I had read he gave the sample on Saturday.
 
Ummmm
Allmendinger suspended for failing drug test: UPDATES: NASCAR announced 90 minutes before the race that #22-A.J. Allmendinger has failed a random drug test and has been "temporarily" suspended. He was randomly selected and tested following the Kentucky race and his "A" sample tested positive. He has the right to request that NASCAR test his "B" sample. Should he refuse to have the "B" sample tested, or if that test is positive, the suspension will become indefinite. Sam Hornish will replace him in the #22 at Daytona.(7-7-2012)

Tested following the Kentucky race would mean after it right?????

This is correct and this is what has bothered me all along. Aegis knew AJ tested positive for a banned substance on Thursday before Daytona and yet they did not notify NASCAR until after AJ practiced for Daytona.

What kind of liability is that?
 
He explained that he had been out in Louisville, Ky., the Wednesday before the Quaker State 400 race at Kentucky Speedwayand was tired.

A friend of a friend, Allmendinger said, handed him a pill and stated it was a workout supplement that would give him energy. Allmendinger ingested the pill. Two days later he was randomly tested at the racetrack, a test he would ultimately fail.

That would be Friday, possibly Saturday.
 
joey meier@2Spotter
My undersranding,drivers on Sat.,crew guys on Sun...RT @FenderBumper: when does nascar take driver urine samples? Right after the race?
 
Yes, it was. That I know, because I just looked it up. :D

I guess that's where I got confused and thought he was tested before the race.

When AJ was tested isn't all that important to me. The fact that the lab knew on Thursday that he was a filthy junkie and let him practice before Daytona bothers me.

Just saying. ;)
 
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