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But your brain & experiences. Long story short, I am doing a marketing project in school to promote the Ford Fusion Hybrid to men between the ages of 30 & 50. Aside from any general research I can do on my own, do any of yall have any personal experiences with this car? What about just the gasoline version, not the hybrid?

Thanks. Anything is appreciated!
 
Never driven one and probably never will. My new truck will long outlive me.
 
I have personal experience here Chex. Not in my personal car but in my taxi experiences. This car looks sharp on the outside, and drives well. I know that it gets great mileage. I know that 500 KM will not even bring it to half. The car is tough too--there are a ton of Ford fusion taxis out there. I have personally seen many with over 300,000 KM on on the clock and the batteries still are running strong.

Also a neat aside is a few of my customers were surprised when I pulled into their yard and there was no engine noise. The ultimate stake-out car.
 
I have personal experience here Chex. Not in my personal car but in my taxi experiences. This car looks sharp on the outside, and drives well. I know that it gets great mileage. I know that 500 KM will not even bring it to half. The car is tough too--there are a ton of Ford fusion taxis out there. I have personally seen many with over 300,000 KM on on the clock and the batteries still are running strong.

Also a neat aside is a few of my customers were surprised when I pulled into their yard and there was no engine noise. The ultimate stake-out car.
Thanks. I plan on going to the dealership close by & interviewing some folks.

Sorry Chex, men arent allowed to drive hybrids :idunno:
Thats the challenge now aint it?
 
I hate to be the one to break the news to Chex :(
Hey man, I like my 60 mpgs :D Fits the college budget real good. Plus its got a bangin sound system & a bangin large back seat area ;)
Give it 5 years max before Chevy comes out with the hybrid Camaro.
 
Hey man, I like my 60 mpgs :D Fits the college budget real good. Plus its got a bangin sound system & a bangin large back seat area ;)
Give it 5 years max before Chevy comes out with the hybrid Camaro.


If they do it will have flower holders :D
 
Chex, as you're seeing from these comments there is a lot of misplaced pride and some ignorance when it comes to hybrid cars (as well as any alternative fueled vehicle).
I've been involved with hybrid and alternative vehicles for several years so I'll try to pass on some things I've learned.

Some marketers and over-zealous environmentalists have been too aggressive promoting these cars, and since most people dislike change they’ve been put off. Some of these environmentalists mean well but get too pushy… the marketers are pushing for a buck of course. The bottom line is these types of vehicles are unlikely to go away because our problems with dwindling oil supply, pollution, and fuel costs are real. But those problems are not hitting most people hard enough for them to take them seriously, and too many of them choose to heckle the messenger. We won’t open their eyes by trying to force anything on them, and definitely not by fighting with them. We need to try to educate them as friendly and fact conscious as we can, and trust them to use reason.

A big issue is “are hybrids cost-effective compared to the conventional versions of those cars”? At the state of today’s technology and costs, it’s hard to say “yes”. If you only consider the cost difference between the two cars vs. the money saved in gas by a hybrid, break-even takes years. It’s hard to precisely calculate because gas prices fluctuate… but overall they trend up, shortening the break-even time.

Another big issue is maintenance and reliability. Hybrids are more complex than conventional cars so they potentially can cost more money to maintain. However, concerns about expensive battery pack replacement costs have shown to be mostly unfounded. The Fusion is too new to accurately predict maintenance and reliability costs for its hybrid version… about all we can do is assume it will perform similarly to hybrid cars that have been on the market longer (like the Prius), plus factor in Ford’s typical performance (in this case).

To resonate with the age group (30 – 50) you’re targeting you need to focus upon things that most interest them (instead of things that may interest people of all ages). Your group is most likely just starting families and are just starting to feel confident about their career statuses (as much as anybody can these days) but also likely have a lot of debt. They’re young enough to appreciate flash, but are accepting that they’ll need at least one vehicle that is less flashy and more practical. They are still young enough that they’re probably still idealistic about changing the world and saving the environment et. al., but measured against everyday practical needs.

Because today’s hybrid version of any car is more expensive than its conventional version, although this age group might want to help “save the world” they’ve got a lot of real life pressures to address for themselves first. So they’re likely receptive to hybrids, and may be willing to pay slightly more for one, but the sales pitch needs to show it’s practical in the long run. You can do that with reasonable interpretation of gas price trends and projections. You can emphasize warranty coverage of the scary new technology bits, and again reasonably apply the past histories of similar cars. You can ask them to consider a hybrid as an “option” on the regular car, in the vein of a high-powered sound system for example, and point out that some options potentially aid resale values more than others (in this case, if gas prices continue to increase then the higher mpg hybrid could be more attractive). But be careful not to over-promise or hype up possible “benefits” of a hybrid – a lot of people already distrust the marketers and environmentalists that have come before you.
 
Chex, as you're seeing from these comments there is a lot of misplaced pride and some ignorance when it comes to hybrid cars (as well as any alternative fueled vehicle).
I've been involved with hybrid and alternative vehicles for several years so I'll try to pass on some things I've learned.

Some marketers and over-zealous environmentalists have been too aggressive promoting these cars, and since most people dislike change they’ve been put off. Some of these environmentalists mean well but get too pushy… the marketers are pushing for a buck of course. The bottom line is these types of vehicles are unlikely to go away because our problems with dwindling oil supply, pollution, and fuel costs are real. But those problems are not hitting most people hard enough for them to take them seriously, and too many of them choose to heckle the messenger. We won’t open their eyes by trying to force anything on them, and definitely not by fighting with them. We need to try to educate them as friendly and fact conscious as we can, and trust them to use reason.

A big issue is “are hybrids cost-effective compared to the conventional versions of those cars”? At the state of today’s technology and costs, it’s hard to say “yes”. If you only consider the cost difference between the two cars vs. the money saved in gas by a hybrid, break-even takes years. It’s hard to precisely calculate because gas prices fluctuate… but overall they trend up, shortening the break-even time.

Another big issue is maintenance and reliability. Hybrids are more complex than conventional cars so they potentially can cost more money to maintain. However, concerns about expensive battery pack replacement costs have shown to be mostly unfounded. The Fusion is too new to accurately predict maintenance and reliability costs for its hybrid version… about all we can do is assume it will perform similarly to hybrid cars that have been on the market longer (like the Prius), plus factor in Ford’s typical performance (in this case).

To resonate with the age group (30 – 50) you’re targeting you need to focus upon things that most interest them (instead of things that may interest people of all ages). Your group is most likely just starting families and are just starting to feel confident about their career statuses (as much as anybody can these days) but also likely have a lot of debt. They’re young enough to appreciate flash, but are accepting that they’ll need at least one vehicle that is less flashy and more practical. They are still young enough that they’re probably still idealistic about changing the world and saving the environment et. al., but measured against everyday practical needs.

Because today’s hybrid version of any car is more expensive than its conventional version, although this age group might want to help “save the world” they’ve got a lot of real life pressures to address for themselves first. So they’re likely receptive to hybrids, and may be willing to pay slightly more for one, but the sales pitch needs to show it’s practical in the long run. You can do that with reasonable interpretation of gas price trends and projections. You can emphasize warranty coverage of the scary new technology bits, and again reasonably apply the past histories of similar cars. You can ask them to consider a hybrid as an “option” on the regular car, in the vein of a high-powered sound system for example, and point out that some options potentially aid resale values more than others (in this case, if gas prices continue to increase then the higher mpg hybrid could be more attractive). But be careful not to over-promise or hype up possible “benefits” of a hybrid – a lot of people already distrust the marketers and environmentalists that have come before you.
Awesome input. Cheers mate :)
 
For what it's worth ... I'm not against hybrids. I'm against false hybrids. A car that weighs as much as an old Caddy hauling around 2 drive systems and a ton of lead acid batteries while still not significantly beating the fuel mileage of a 1980 Honda Civic (while costing 3 times as much) isn't anything to chase after IMO. An intelligent options would be a CNG or propane plug in hybrid. Somehow the Prius has been on the market for nearly 10 years now ... still waiting. Honda, Ford ... lots of money there .. more of it going to marketing than product development. Tata came out with a truly eco-friendly car .. runs on compressed air. Refills as fast as any gas tank, impact rated tanks (safer than the Prius's batteries) and you can have a compressor system at home that tops up it's tank from solar while you're out and about. Now THAT'S technology that I'd get behind.
 
For what it's worth ... I'm not against hybrids. I'm against false hybrids. A car that weighs as much as an old Caddy hauling around 2 drive systems and a ton of lead acid batteries while still not significantly beating the fuel mileage of a 1980 Honda Civic (while costing 3 times as much) isn't anything to chase after IMO. An intelligent options would be a CNG or propane plug in hybrid. Somehow the Prius has been on the market for nearly 10 years now ... still waiting. Honda, Ford ... lots of money there .. more of it going to marketing than product development. Tata came out with a truly eco-friendly car .. runs on compressed air. Refills as fast as any gas tank, impact rated tanks (safer than the Prius's batteries) and you can have a compressor system at home that tops up it's tank from solar while you're out and about. Now THAT'S technology that I'd get behind.
I dont make the product, I just sell it :D
 
I know ... that's why I didn't post that earlier when it might influence others. For the record .. I bought my old '85 Parisienne with the intent of converting it to propane .. but I'm having a little trouble getting the idea certified. I want to go bi-fuel and keep my gas tank .. but they won't certify a propane tank installed in the rather immense trunk. Making a quadrajet run on propane is as easy as taking off the air cleaner.
 
I know ... that's why I didn't post that earlier when it might influence others. For the record .. I bought my old '85 Parisienne with the intent of converting it to propane .. but I'm having a little trouble getting the idea certified. I want to go bi-fuel and keep my gas tank .. but they won't certify a propane tank installed in the rather immense trunk. Making a quadrajet run on propane is as easy as taking off the air cleaner.
Why is that? Where do the require the tank to be?
 
Outside the vehicle. They'd prefer the already certifiable location already occupied by the 20 gallon gas tank. The bed of a pickup truck would work too.
Oh, ok . In case of any leaks.
In Canada we always had them in the trunk. (15 years ago)
 
"I'm against false hybrids. A car that weighs as much as an old Caddy hauling around 2 drive systems and a ton of lead acid batteries while still not significantly beating the fuel mileage of a 1980 Honda Civic (while costing 3 times as much)"

I don't get your made-up term "false hybrid". Any vehicle that is propelled by more than one fuel is a hybrid.

Modern hybrids don't use lead-acid batteries, except that some do still have one lead-acid starter / 12 vdc accessory battery (like conventional cars). I don't recall any carmaker has sold any hybrid vehicle using lead-acid batteries as the main power pack since the 1970s. They've been using various Lithium-Ion chemistries, and a few Nickel-Metal-Hydride chemistries, since the 1990s.

That 1980 Civic wasn't saddled with all of the emissions, safety and entertainment stuff that modern cars have. All of those things take away fuel economy.

Considering how much inflation we've had since 1980, and how much more car you get today compared to 1980, it's no surprise that today's hybrids cost more than a 1980 car.


"CNG or propane plug in hybrid"
Ford offers those types of hybrids in their commercial (fleet) truck line. They also used to offer it as a dealer-installed option on a new Focus or Fusion, but I'm not finding current information on it now so they may have dropped it. I saw a CNG equipped Focus hybrid back about four years ago and it worked very well. The gas bottle was in the trunk, which is legal in the U.S. as long as the tank is certified.

"Tata came out with a truly eco-friendly car .. runs on compressed air.."
The jury's still out on that one - it's really not out of testing yet. MDI's and Tata's tests so far show that the vehicle's 175-liter storage tank will propel it to top speeds of about 43 miles per hour for distances of up to 125 miles, reports Core77. That speed limits it to secondary roads in the U.S., and the range is much less than hybrid cars (that can get that their range while driving Interstate speeds). Past history shows that compressed air is inefficient as a means of transportation, and you have to burn some other fuel in order to produce the compressed air (generally, to produce electricity to run a compressor). Yeah you might run your compressor from solar panels - but not directly (you need storage batteries and an inverter as part of that system). But maybe Tata will work it out.
 
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