General consensus – A Johnson win takes away from the enjoyment of the race

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Each year during the summer months a large group of my family and friends head up to our camp for an extended weekend of camping. We do this as a group three times a summer, Memorial Day, 4th of July, & Labor Day weekends. With each of those race weekends being night races we set up a large ‘white screen’ on the side of camp using a projection system hooked up to the satellite dish for watching the races. Most everyone pitches in $5 to pick a random driver for their chance at winning the pot should they be lucky enough to select the winning driver. This past weekend the winner that picked Jimmie Johnson won $175 with 35 of us playing. I have to tell you….. Outside of the guy lucky enough to pick Johnson there weren’t all that many that were too excited about that victory. Granted, some of these people may have just been upset at not being able to take home the $175 but a majority of them simply don’t like Jimmie Johnson and don’t like to see him win. Take pride in that you Jimmie Johnson fans out there. It’s always fun to rub it in when your driver takes home the trophy.

Note to self, next time at least get a random pick better than Michael McDowell. My night was over before it started.
 
Take pride in that you Jimmie Johnson fans out there. It’s always fun to rub it in when your driver takes home the trophy.
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Mom always liked me best.
 
The 2 drivers that make the media team cream in their pants every time they win is Junior & Johnson. If theyd just shut up about Junior "finally having a championship year" or "Jimmie is the greatest driver ever in the sport" even though his only championships are in this BS chase system, all would be ok.
 
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Been reading many articles and post about the lack of wins by Jimmie Johnson through the first part of this season wondering what the problem is. I wonder if they will be the same people that complain when he rattles of 2 wins out of the next three races? :D
 
People will hate on the most dominant force. It even happens to the good old boy hometown driver at his local hometown track.

Even with Dale Sr, people remember his fans, but he had his haters too. I am old enough to remember people hating Petty too when he was dominant. And people complained that the system was rigged for him too. I heard it repeatedly from uncles and the Fathers of my friends.

Nothing new, the cycle, and repeat cyle at work.

Note: Not trying to the dismiss the topic. People are not as interested in JJ, and his discipline. A discipline that has him focused and often above the side issues or diversions. There are less nutjob moments and as much to talk about. The guys workout routine just doesnt excite keyboards.

If he won less races and titles maybe, won two races a year, and a only a couple of titles, people would be raving about his maturity and his dedication. The thought would be that this guy is the real deal etc....

But his sucess has made the explanations of the performance too obvious and obselete. Then add in the given, that dominant drivers get a lot a hate.

So "Awesome" becomes "crap, not again". And then add in the fact that many fans loyal to their driver can not accept just getting beat.

No my driver is still the best. JJs sucess can be explained, he is just luckier, has the best CC, he cheated etc. Use any of them just never admit that he simply outperformed someones beloved driver.
 
I dont buy the idea of drivers who are more in shape achieve better results. Carl Edwards is a gym rat & he aint out there winning every week. Tony Stewart is a fat old man and he won in 2011. Gordon is the type of guy who can eat anything he wants and his metabolism will get rid of it without packing on a single pound. Hes had some strength therapy for his back but thats really about it. Yeah JJ is a marathon runner but so is Kasey Kahne and we all know how Kasey's seasons have been. I just dont buy it.

Plus JJ is only 4 years younger than Jeff. Age is fair to no man, even 6 time.
 
Just my 2 cents... The winner shouldn't be the determining factor in the enjoyment of the race. It should be the quality of the racing. I understand that some don't like it when JJ wins, but that should have no bearing on how much you enjoy the racing. If its good hard racing, with lots of lead changes and excitement, who cares who wins?

When JJ won the 500 last year, it was a boring race and not very enjoyable to watch. On the other hand, he's won some great races and they were very enjoyable to watch, regardless of who your driver is.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
The 2 drivers that make the media team cream in their pants every time they win is Junior & Johnson. If theyd just shut up about Junior "finally having a championship year" or "Jimmie is the greatest driver ever in the sport" even though his only championships are in this BS chase system, all would be ok.
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What?
 
I could care less if JJ wins. I just wanna see a good show. The Coca-Cola 600 was an average race. I'm also tired of media pundits covering our sport who couldn't be less interested or informed. Fox is almost unwatchable these days. The race might have been better if it was properly covered. God I can't wait for NBC to return next year.
 
You wanna know what really takes away from my enjoyment of the race? Driver's fans. Doesn't matter which driver, their fans are all the same. People who moan and bitch because of this guy or that guy, ... seriously, just enjoy the damn race. Who in the stands is in any way affected by who crosses the line first? None of us. Not one person ... 'cept those pathetic few who can't deal with their own lives and have to try and derive pleasure from someone else's accomplishments. Get over yerselves and just enjoy the race. You're not in the car, the driver isn't winning this for you, he almost certainly doesn't even have a clue who you are.

I love asking fans why they're a fan of such and such ... the answers nearly never cease to reinforce my shame at sharing the gene pool with them. They never seem to say 'Because he's a really talented driver'.
 
It doesn't bother me when Jimmie wins (anymore - didn't like him beating Gorden's records). He is one of the best drivers and represents the sport very well. I only recall him saying one stupid thing (something about being duped on a restart - minor stuff).
 
i believe like greg said when jimmie got the win people were like crap, here we go again. when jimmie has a problem during the race, it just seems like it's a better race. the man has gotten more breaks than danica has gotten the lucky dog, and that's a whole lot. and if he hadn't been on pit road when that caution came out, not sure we would even be talking about him. but down deep to me still is the fact he seems to benefit more from fake cautions than anyone ever and then there's always the numbers of times they were caught cheating. those are the two factors i will always associate jimmie with, doesn't matter if he wins 8 or more championships or over 200 races, i will never fill like he won those fair and square.
 
Zerkfitting said:
He is one of the best drivers and represents the sport very well. I only recall him saying one stupid thing (something about being duped on a restart - minor stuff).
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who or what was he representing when he fell off the top of that golf cart.
 
pudge said:
i believe like greg said when jimmie got the win people were like crap, here we go again. when jimmie has a problem during the race, it just seems like it's a better race. the man has gotten more breaks than danica has gotten the lucky dog, and that's a whole lot. and if he hadn't been on pit road when that caution came out, not sure we would even be talking about him. but down deep to me still is the fact he seems to benefit more from fake cautions than anyone ever and then there's always the numbers of times they were caught cheating. those are the two factors i will always associate jimmie with, doesn't matter if he wins 8 or more championships or over 200 races, i will never fill like he won those fair and square.
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3wideinturn1 said:
Just my 2 cents... The winner shouldn't be the determining factor in the enjoyment of the race. It should be the quality of the racing. I understand that some don't like it when JJ wins, but that should have no bearing on how much you enjoy the racing. If its good hard racing, with lots of lead changes and excitement, who cares who wins?

When JJ won the 500 last year, it was a boring race and not very enjoyable to watch. On the other hand, he's won some great races and they were very enjoyable to watch, regardless of who your driver is.
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Agreed, well said.
 
and this is funny how john c
 
I don't care for JJ, never did. No reason. I don't care for peas either.
 
pudge said:
and then there's always the numbers of times they were caught cheating. those are the two factors i will always associate jimmie with, doesn't matter if he wins 8 or more championships or over 200 races, i will never fill like he won those fair and square.
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Then you'd better not look into Richard Petty's or Dale Sr's wins too much, because those 2 make JJ look like a choir boy. They had way bigger advantages on the field than JJ ever had.
 
Ehh...its hit or miss with me. It's an honor to be watching someone who will go down as one of the greatest drivers in NASCAR, but when he wins 3 in a row I'd like some more variety.

And to all the Johnson haters- You can call the points system BS, but 67 wins and 279 top tens are undeniably good and pure. Especially for a guy who's 38 years old. He's got another 10-15 years in him, and I am sure he win end his career 2nd on the all-time win list.
 
pudge said:
and this is funny how john c
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It's just so typical is all and I'd expect a better (more meaningful) reason from you. Please don't take my laughing personal...I just hear the same thing all the time and I find humor in it.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Then you'd better not look into Richard Petty's or Dale Sr's wins too much, because those 2 make JJ look like a choir boy. They had way bigger advantages on the field than JJ ever had.
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not gonna agree with that, anyway i was giving my opinion in a jimmie thread.
 
If we all only new what really goes on in the deep deep bowls of motorsports. There probably wouldn't have been any teams left to root for, past or present.:D
 
breatheoflife said:
Big deal. He'd still have 3 of them under the old system.
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Right, not 6 in 8 years including 5 in a row. 5 years of the same champion turned fans off from him. If there was some variety in champions the sport thrives.
 
pudge said:
not gonna agree with that, anyway i was giving my opinion in a jimmie thread.
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Fair enough, my only point is NO ONE has won 6 or 7 championships without doing some "cheating". Heck, Petty was blatant and fully admitted most of the stuff he did.
 
John c said:
It's just so typical is all and I'd expect a better (more meaningful) reason from you. Please don't take my laughing personal...I just hear the same thing all the time and I find humor in it.
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i will never take it personal, and i don't hate jimmie, not at all, but chad wasn't suspended and points docked because of nothing. and how many times has the mystery cautions kept him on the lead lap or put him back on the lead lap. chad telling jimmie to rough up the back of his car after a win, was that so the crew would have something to do on monday. those are the things i will always think of when i think of jimmie. now if jimmie was my favorite driver i would say things like maybe you're jealous, or if you're not cheating you're not trying. but he's not, so i see it as the way i posted. but to let you know, i think the 48 is the best in the business, better than they ever was and i don't see anyone ever being better down the road.
 
pudge said:
i will never take it personal, and i don't hate jimmie, not at all, but chad wasn't suspended and points docked because of nothing. and how many times has the mystery cautions kept him on the lead lap or put him back on the lead lap. chad telling jimmie to rough up the back of his car after a win, was that so the crew would have something to do on monday. those are the things i will always think of when i think of jimmie. now if jimmie was my favorite driver i would say things like maybe you're jealous, or if you're not cheating you're not trying. but he's not, so i see it as the way i posted. but to let you know, i think the 48 is the best in the business, better than they ever was and i don't see anyone ever being better down the road.
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Kevin inc is giving him a pretty good run for his money.;)
 
Nitro Dude said:
Kevin inc is giving him a pretty good run for his money.;)
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no doubt, but i believe his team is just not up to jimmie's. actually the whole organization. i know in my circle of racing buds when someone takes jimmie every race for the year, they have been kicking butt, if he didn't win or finish higher was far and few in between. to be honest does anyone expect him not to finish top 1 or 2 at the end of the year, now of course the way the screwed up championship is to be decided this year i guess he could be 3th or 4th. there's just no way a one race shootout should determine the season's championship winner.
 
I am extremely curious to see what people have to say after the champ is declared at the end of this season. If it is Jimmie will people stop saying he is champ because of the "BS format" or if it isn't Jimmie what will they say?
 
Professur said:
Montreal Canadians ... you have yourself a nice day.
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I'm sure you're already aware but just to make sure...

Prior to the 1960s, there was no NHL amateur draft. The recruitment of prospects was simply a matter of first come, first served. The Montreal Canadiens ensured they were first served by establishing perhaps the greatest farm system in sports history, with junior and senior teams on the prairies, minor pro teams in the U.S. and entire leagues in Quebec. The Leafs operated a similar network in Ontario and beyond. All players signed to those teams remained the exclusive propoerty of the NHL "sponsor" team until they were released or traded. Prior to 1967, the Leafs and Canadiens held a further advantage by having exclusive rights to players within its 50-mile territorial limits.

So wether you want to call it cheating or an unfair advantage, most dynasties have had one. In the context of NASCAR, most champions find an advantage somewhere and that's why they are able to win multiple times. So while you can't really compare the 2 sports, to suggest the Montreal Canadiens didn't have some type of advantage is ridiculous. Thanks for coming out though...
 
meh...I used to be a Johnson hater....but now I couldn't careless.....just sick and tried of the 48 dominating dover and Martinsville over and over and over again.....
 
Jimmie gets probably 10% of the hate that Jeff got when he was whipping on Dale Sr week in and week out. The jealousy and resentment that most fans harbored towards Jeff Gordon and his fans was absolutely atrocious. It was all too common to hear grown men and women tell little kids wearing JG gear that they were going to grow up to be a f*ggot or a queer. It was really that bad and often worse. Cars with JG stickers would get vandalized. RV's with JG emblems would get their windows smashed out. One could go on all day about it. I'd always deflect the hate from me by telling the Dale fans how great a driver Dale Sr was and how much fun it was to watch him race Jeff. That worked about 95% of the time but the other 5% sometimes ended differently. Good times.

To hear that some fans don't enjoy seeing Jimmie win is no surprise. Hell, Dale Sr got a ton of boo's when he was winning his Cups.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Fair enough, my only point is NO ONE has won 6 or 7 championships without doing some "cheating". Heck, Petty was blatant and fully admitted most of the stuff he did.
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Some people think that innovating is cheating. I am not one of those people.
 
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