How hard is it for NASCAR to fix these restarts?

It used to be black and white before nascar implemented the restart zone thing. Before the restart zone, the leader had to cross the line first, period. The restart zone is a grey area which added lots of potential reasons why the second place car can cross the line before the leader, all of which are determined by the 'opinion' of nascar.
 
Isnt there a green light (as well as a flag waver) on the side of the track to let drivers know when the flag is dropped? As soon as that light turns green - floor it. Go before the light? To the back of the pack. Easy peasy.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Use the timing line under the start/finish line. They've got telemetry. Use it to determine who was first across the line. It's black and white.

or even more simple.....

Get rid of the dang rule. When they wave the flag, go.
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I like the idea of the flagman starting, and restarting, the race but . . .

doesn't that just change the focus of the problem to how does NASCAR ensure that neither car in the front row has an advantage over the other one when the green flag waves ?
 
pjmolo said:
I like the idea of the flagman starting, and restarting, the race but . . .

doesn't that just change the focus of the problem to how does NASCAR ensure that neither car in the front row has an advantage over the other one when the green flag waves ?
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Single file restarts would solve that problem. The leader has an advantage over everyone, wanna know why? Because he's the leader
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Single file restarts would solve that problem. The leader has an advantage over everyone, wanna know why? Because he's the leader
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Or even better, just put the leader out front by himself with the rest of the cars lined up side-by-side.

problem solved . . .
 
the deal with carl edwards wasn't exactly a hard call to make. menard didn't complain because he knew he would have been passed anyways. for some reason this has become a hard thing. IF the leader doesn't cross the start line first, the next question should be why, did they spin the tires OR have fuel and or car problems not going. next did they not go in the restart zone for whatever reason. These aren't that hard of calls to make. To me if your going to have a restart zone, then why is it that its also said that the leader must cross the start line first. what happens if the cars go in the restart zone but the second place car has more motor and gets the power down more and just pulls away from the first car. they started fine, does the second place car have to lift because they got a better start?? having them go on a green light would really make things interesting,
 
MRM said:
It should be the leader dictates the start, then everyone else goes. If the leader spins the tires, misses a shift, etc, that's on him.
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This. Use telemetry to determine if the leader hit the gas. When he does, everyone goes with no worries about going too fast.....in a race, of all things.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I wonder why they don't do this now. Sounds like it could work.
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nascar likes controversy. Why else would they put in a restart box well before the SF line, then give control of the restart to the leader, who then ignores the restart box, and tell all the other competitors they can't race him until the SF line anyway?

It's designed for controversy.
 
FenderBumper said:
This. Use telemetry to determine if the leader hit the gas. When he does, everyone goes with no worries about going too fast.....in a race, of all things.
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I like that, but does race control have real time data?
 
Greg said:
I like that, but does race control have real time data?
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TV does, so it wouldn't be all that hard to do. All they need to look at are the first 4 cars, and they could do that in real time and decide without stopping the race.

I still say the easiest way is to give the race leader lane choice and 1/2 car length and drop the flag. It's all racing after that.
 
Bucky Badger said:
That's where the controversy comes on...You spun your tires...No I didn't
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It should be easy to tell if the leader goes first or not. If he starts and then slows because of either spinning the tires or playing games, too bad.
 
MRM said:
It should be easy to tell if the leader goes first or not. If he starts and then slows because of either spinning the tires or playing games, too bad.
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...or he bumps someones door, apparently.
 
Good trophy queens makes everything more tolerable, even a screwed up restart.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Isnt there a green light (as well as a flag waver) on the side of the track to let drivers know when the flag is dropped? As soon as that light turns green - floor it. Go before the light? To the back of the pack. Easy peasy.
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I love it ,as the leader comes to the line , he hits the brakes and the second place car is sent to the back of the pack.Next restart he does it again , until he gets the line up he wants to race. Easy peasy.
 
Brake checks , spinning tires , missed shifts , being bumped from behind , .....I very happy with Nascar deciding which restart are fair and which aren't . I think they know a bit more about it than me .
 
With all the coordination betwen teams to manipulate finishes, just let them decide who gets the restarts as well. Problem solved.
 
It's pretty simple. NASCAR likes the existing rule because it creates controversy and, more importantly, it creates situations where they can make "judgement calls". The rule is so convoluted and complicated that NASCAR can make a call either way when someone jumps a restart ... as we have seen them do. I just find it strange that the one and only driver who always complains that NASCAR is out to get him is the one who ends up being the beneficiary of restart "judgement calls" every single time.

It's the most genius thing NASCAR's ever done. Want to talk about how to manipulate a race - that's one way to do it.
 
Like others have said, when the start comes, just go. We have seen this season why this is a good idea.
 
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