Keselowski, Bowyer not elgible for shootout

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From Jayski.

There's a saying in racing that it's not where you start, it's where you finish. But that doesn't necessarily ring true for NASCAR's preseason exhibition race at Daytona International Speedway. NASCAR decided prior to the start of the 2012 season to go back to its traditional eligibility requirements for the Shootout  pole winners from the previous year and past Shootout winners. That means the top two drivers in the 2012 standings  #2-Brad Keselowski and #15-Clint Bowyer  aren't on the list of 22 drivers eligible for the 2013 event. Not since 2004, when 2003 champion Matt Kenseth did not win a pole, has the Shootout been run without the previous year's Cup champion. The event used to be sponsored by Budweiser, which originally had also sponsored NASCAR's pole award. When Coors took over the pole award sponsorship in 2009, the eligibility rules changed and continued to change annually.

Damn shame neither of them were fast enough this year to qualify for the race but rules are rules. I still like that they moved the qualification requirements back to where they were for this race.
 
Whatever method they are using now sucks ass. The two front runners aren't in?! NO WAY!
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It rewards pole position winners. It works just like it had for years and it works well. Neither of those two won a pole position. How is it wrong? Surely nobody suggesting that the current champ gets a provisional, right? :confused:
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I like it better this way also. I like the pole winners being rewarded. Wish they'd change the past winners though, Terry Labonte, Bill Elliott and Ken Schrader are still eligible:eek:
 
SST55 said:
DW too IIRC
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No DW.

Here's the list.....

2012 Pole Winners:
1) Mark Martin (4 poles)
2) Kasey Kahne (4)
3) Jimmie Johnson (4)(WON 2 races from pole)
4) Greg Biffle (3)
5) Denny Hamlin (3)
6) Joey Logano (2)(WON a race from pole)
7) Aric Almirola (2)
8) Juan Pablo Montoya (2)
9) Jeff Gordon (2)
10) Carl Edwards
11) Martin Truex Jr.
12) A.J. Allmendinger
13) Marcos Ambrose
14) Matt Kenseth
15) Kyle Busch (2)(won race 2012)
16) Tony Stewart (won race 2001, 2002, 2007)
17) Dale Earnhardt Jr. (won race 2008)
Past Shootout champions (no 2012 pole):
18) Kurt Busch
19) Kevin Harvick
20) Bill Elliott
21) Terry Labonte
22) Ken Schrader
 
You know I mean it sucks but it's how the rules are for this race and it's the rules I agree with for this way, it should be for the pole winners.
 
VaDirt said:
Wait, y'all bitched and whined and moaned when they changed it from its original concept of pole winners, and now you're bitching whining and moaning because they changed it back to its original state? o_O
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Isn't that one of the requirements of as Nascar fan? Whine about everything that do and complain even when you get what you wanted in the first place?
 
VaDirt said:
Wait, y'all bitched and whined and moaned when they changed it from its original concept of pole winners, and now you're bitching whining and moaning because they changed it back to its original state? o_O
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I know I complained when the switched it away from pole winners but I sure am glad to see it back. They really had no choice when they did switch it away from the pole winners. Why would Budweiser want to sponsor a race of Coors Light pole winners? While it's now back to the way it should be, IMO, I don't think that there has been any announcement as to who the sponsor of this race will be. If there has been I haven't read it.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I hope I can one day say the same thing about the Chase format, but I digress.
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I'd like if they got rid of it also, I mean last year it doesn't effect the championship, and then again also it's hard to say how people would have raced without the chase but it does need to go away.
 
From WikiPedia:

The event was first known as the Busch Clash and was the brain child of Monty Roberts. Roberts was the brand manager of the newly-formed Busch beer (which had formerly been Busch Bavarian Beer) to promote the new brand. Roberts had been successful introducing Mercury into racing while working at Ford, and had also been a part of Ontario Motor Speedway. His experiences led him to believe that racing fans were loyal brand followers. The initial format was set up as a 50-mile sprint race, with no pit stops, with a field consisting of the previous season's pole position winners. Inviting the fastest drivers from the previous season, headlined the event as the "fastest race" of the season. The race established an incentive for drivers to earn pole positions, which up to that time, offered small cash prizes, and at no time have pole winners earned bonus championship points.

  • 1979-1997: Pole position winners from the previous season clinched automatic berths. The drivers that were the fastest qualifiers for the previous year's races' during Busch Second Round Qualifying were eligible for one wild card spot. The wild card driver was selected by blind draw during the week of the NASCAR awards banquet or during the January media tour.
    • From 1995-1996, the winner of the most pole positions in the secondary NASCAR Busch Series won an entry into the Busch Clash, driving a Busch-sponsored car. David Green won the right both times.
  • 1998-2000: Pole position winners from the previous season clinched automatic berths. Drivers eligible from Second Round Qualifying participated in the Bud Shootout Qualifier, with the winner advancing to the main event Bud Shootout.
  • 2001: Pole position winners from the previous season clinched automatic berths. In addition, all former winners of the event not already qualified received automatic berths. NASCAR eliminated second round qualifying beginning in 2001 and the Shootout Qualifier was eliminated. For the 2001 Shootout only, the drivers eligible from second round qualifying of 2000 events were placed in a blind draw for the final wild card starting position, as had been done from 1979-1997.
  • 2002-2008: Pole position winners from the previous season clinched automatic berths. All former winners of the event not already qualified received automatic berths.
  • 2009: The field consists of 28 cars. The top six teams from each manufacturer (Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge, and Toyota) based on owners' points from the previous season clinch berths, for a total of 24 cars. Previous season's pole position winners no longer were a qualifying factor. Unlike previous formats, the entry receives the berth, not the driver. In addition, each of the four manufacturers receive one "wild card" berth for a car/driver not already qualified, to bring the grand total to 28 cars. The other four "entries" were for previous champions and past Shootout winners. This system was discarded after only one year.
  • 2010-2011: A new qualifying format was introduced, which expanded the field, with no size limitations:
  • 2012: The field was once again expanded. Automatic bids went to the top 25 in series points (every driver from eventual series champion Tony Stewart to 25th place Brian Vickers), as well as any Daytona race winner who was not otherwise qualified and who competed in at least one race in 2011 (which will enable Bill Elliott, Geoff Bodine, Derrike Cope, Michael Waltrip, Jamie McMurray, Trevor Bayne, Terry Labonte, and Ken Schrader to make the race if they decide to run).
  • 2013: The Shootout format returned to the format used from 2002-2008, with all drivers who won pole positions via time trials (it is not known if the format will include drivers who won the open session that determined the pole winner if qualifying was rained out, a change NASCAR adopted in 2011 where in case of qualifying being rained out, the first practice session determines the field; the beer-sticker restrictions is eliminated) and previous Shootout winners that have attempted to qualify for any of the 36 points races in the previous season
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It rewards pole position winners. It works just like it had for years and it works well. Neither of those two won a pole position. How is it wrong? Surely nobody suggesting that the current champ gets a provisional, right? :confused:
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Because they constantly change the rules. In 2012, they let budweiser chnage things because it had become the 'coors pole award'. It's stupid to run the year thinking you're in, then in December you find out you're not.
 
FenderBumper said:
Because they constantly change the rules. In 2012, they let budweiser chnage things because it had become the 'coors pole award'. It's stupid to run the year thinking you're in, then in December you find out you're not.
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I would have found it more foolish for Budweiser to have been celebrating and rewarding the Coors Light pole winner but that could have just been me that felt that way. Well, me and Budweiser. ;)
 
VaDirt said:
Wait, y'all bitched and whined and moaned when they changed it from its original concept of pole winners, and now you're bitching whining and moaning because they changed it back to its original state? o_O
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Nascarbitchitis rears its ugly head. I'm fine with them not being in rules are rules.
 
VaDirt said:
Wait, y'all bitched and whined and moaned when they changed it from its original concept of pole winners, and now you're bitching whining and moaning because they changed it back to its original state? o_O
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Oh , but wait , we're a couple months away from the Daytona 500. New body styles are going to mean that one of the brands is going to have an aero advantage over the others . All of the folks who were upset with the car of tomorrow's common template are going to be wild about inequality .
 
It went like this:

Coors CEO called Brian and said "I don't wan that miller lite car in the shootout next year."

This is what Brian came up with!
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I would have found it more foolish for Budweiser to have been celebrating and rewarding the Coors Light pole winner but that could have just been me that felt that way. Well, me and Budweiser. ;)
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Which brings up the question of why nascar split the 2, and how greedy nascar can be. Would you like to talk about that? :D


My only 'minor' problem is making the rules AFTER the previous season is over, but it's not a big deal. It's Buds game. Seeing how many drivers attached some sort of 'bud' sticker to their car in 2012 to qualify for 2013, NASCAR may have trouble getting a sponsor for this years race. If Miller steps in, you can bet Harvick will be left out by rewriting the rules after the season is over, or because he won't put a Miller sticker on his car. Then we'll hear the Chevy guys comlaining.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
From Jayski.

There's a saying in racing that it's not where you start, it's where you finish. But that doesn't necessarily ring true for NASCAR's preseason exhibition race at Daytona International Speedway. NASCAR decided prior to the start of the 2012 season to go back to its traditional eligibility requirements for the Shootout  pole winners from the previous year and past Shootout winners. That means the top two drivers in the 2012 standings  #2-Brad Keselowski and #15-Clint Bowyer  aren't on the list of 22 drivers eligible for the 2013 event. Not since 2004, when 2003 champion Matt Kenseth did not win a pole, has the Shootout been run without the previous year's Cup champion. The event used to be sponsored by Budweiser, which originally had also sponsored NASCAR's pole award. When Coors took over the pole award sponsorship in 2009, the eligibility rules changed and continued to change annually.

Damn shame neither of them were fast enough this year to qualify for the race but rules are rules. I still like that they moved the qualification requirements back to where they were for this race.
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I'm not directing this at you, dpk, just using your post to make my point.

So no one knew who all would be eligible until after qualifying at Homestead? I don't see the conspiracy here and if Bowyer and Keselowski failed to win a pole in 2012, that was completely up to them.

Maybe I just don't know exactly what it is I'm supposed to be looking for here :confused:
 
VaDirt said:
Wait, y'all bitched and whined and moaned when they changed it from its original concept of pole winners, and now you're bitching whining and moaning because they changed it back to its original state? o_O
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The thread should have been locked after your post. The people bitching don't have a valid point.
 
MOEJOE said:
It went like this:

Coors CEO called Brian and said "I don't wan that miller lite car in the shootout next year."

This is what Brian came up with!
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Seems to me he made the decision a year before we knew who the champion would be . Are you saying the fix was in?
 
This is actually huge in my opinion. This is track testing at its finest in the new car.
 
Maybe they should think about winning a pole next year.How hard can it be? Joe Nemechek used to do it all the time.:D
 
I saw a funny picture with just Ryan Newman's car filling out the entire field for the shootout (it was the year after he won a lot of poles). I haven't found it on the web - you'd think that kind of stuff would be around forever.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I saw a funny picture with just Ryan Newman's car filling out the entire field for the shootout (it was the year after he won a lot of poles). I haven't found it on the web - you'd think that kind of stuff would be around forever.
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Updated version.

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TexasRaceLady said:
For me, if you didn't win a pole in '12, or you're not a past winner, you don't get in. Simple.
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Bowyer and Keselowski each have 2 career poles so it shouldn't come as a much of a shock if they aren't in the shootout.
 
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