Possible Chase format changes

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  1. MRM
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    Looks like NASCAR is going to change the Chase with a couple of possibilities being discussed. I think people are stupid.

  2. Guido
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    They gotta be kidding!

    All of that BS and manipulating and resetting?

    Why not have the top 43 compete for the chase.............. period! :D
  3. mike honcho
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    mike honcho Don't touch it Jake Johnson!!!!!!!!

    Looks like they trying the NHRA's version of the chase.
  4. ted@economy
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    ted@economy STUMP

    That is stupid and unnecessary.For all intents and purposes ,drivers eliminate themselves from contention by having bad finishes.It's doubtful that the winner will come from outside the top three or four anyway. Why don't these peabrains do something useful like redesigning the checkered flag?
  5. Mopardh9
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    this will just "chase" away more viewers, more fans, it won't work.
  6. AndyMarquisLive
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    AndyMarquisLive We all float down here!

    And run a 36 race Chase?
  7. AndyMarquisLive
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    AndyMarquisLive We all float down here!

    Yep. Stealing USAR's chase format didn't work despite the tweaks. Stealing USAR's "Fuel OR tires" rule didn't work in Trucks. They take things that were successful in USAR and it doesn't work in NASCAR. So I guess their new idea is to take the stuff that ISN'T successful in NHRA and try it in NASCAR and hope it does work.

    Brian France is a stupid ass moron.
  8. dpkimmel2001
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    The best way to fix the Chase is.....

    #1 - Admit that it was a mistake to begin with.
    #2 - Eliminate it.
  9. AndyMarquisLive
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    AndyMarquisLive We all float down here!

    A one race championship, this is really stupid.

    They're trying REALLY hard to be the NFL.
  10. mike honcho
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    mike honcho Don't touch it Jake Johnson!!!!!!!!

    At least they finally rewarding someone for winning a race and not consistancy.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
  11. VaDirt
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    VaDirt Dirt Track Fanatic

    Quit frikkin changing things, period. You know damn good and well that the previous point system is gone for good, and the chase (or some revision thereof) is here to stay. But what they need to do is stick with something. The old format was changed (and tweaked just a bit throught the years) back in 72, and worked well for 30 some years.

    Didn't HDIC (head dufus in charge) say he was going to stop making changes? Helloooo, McFly......stop with the changes already, you are just making it worse.

    Bottom line, Bill left the sport to the wrong person.
  12. JustMe
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    But if they reset the points for the 2 and they have the same amount and neither wins the last race, who would be the champion?
  13. BobbyFord
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    What NASCAR STILL hasn't done is ask the fans what they think. After all aren't we paying the bills?
  14. sloggie
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    sloggie East bound and down

    Nero Fiddles while NASCAR burns.
  15. Magnethead
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    my thoughts exactly. look how well that turned out...
  16. zevious
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    **IF** they feel the need to change it, my suggestion would be as follows. Of course, I am in no way connected enough for them to ask me :)

    This is based on other ideas I have heard voiced in the past.

    1. The Top 10 are eligible for the chase.
    2. Points are reset to 0 for those in the chase.
    3. Points are awarded on a points system that involves only the chase drivers. In other words, if you finish 10th and you are the highest finishing chase driver, you receive points for 1st, next highest finishing driver is awarded points for 2nd, etc. This ensures that the points stay close for the duration of the chase and no single driver is eliminated by a bad finish. I'm not sure what the best point amounts would be though. I kinda like the idea of 20 for first, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd, 7 for 4th, 6 for 5th, 5 for 6th, 4 for 7th, 3 for 8th, 2 for 9th and 1 for 10th. This makes winning more important than consistency. Most laps led 5 bonus points and lap led is awarded 1 point extra.
    4. The non-chase drivers earn points based on their finishing position and based on the current points system. (This would require some thought as to the best way to handle)

    This system would make the points an actual battle to the end or at least closer than it currently is. Potentially, 5+ drivers could have a chance to win going into the last race. None of this, "he has to finish 22nd or better to clinch" bs.
  17. buckaroo
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    buckaroo Here kitty, kitty, kitty

    It doesn't matter to me one way or another. This isn't my father's NASCAR. Hell, it isn't even my NASCAR. I have favorite drivers and I love to watch racing. More than not, my favorite driver hasn't been the Champ so I don't have much to brag about on that front. The elimination process sounds interesting though. For sure, there would be a much different race for those guys on the bubble. Might give a new meaning to "Boys, have at it".
  18. Smoke14
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    :bleh:

    Now, where is that middle finger emoticon so I can send it to the people that are trying to do this.

    It is a called a season and every race should count in the championship.
  19. AndyMarquisLive
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    I propose these changes to the Chase.

    a) Instead of having 12 drivers in the Chase, have 43.

    b) Instead of a 10 race Chase, make it a 36 race Chase.
  20. Stewart Fan
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    Yeah just go back to the old system where the guy who scores the most points wins. Some years you will have someone lock up the title two races early and some you will have 4 drivers with a shot. Just the way it goes......
  21. AndyMarquisLive
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    Yep. The Chase made it exciting the first year or two, but once Jimmie and Chad figured out, it became boring.
  22. buckaroo
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    Question for everyone...what difference does it make? I mean who really cares these days? Matt Kenseth was the last to win with the old system and everyone seemed to hate that he won, thus those in control changed the system. When Jr. and Gordon didn't make the Chase, they changed it. Why, because people wanted to see Jr. and Gordon going for the title even though they had absolutely no chance with the old system. When a driver with the most wins didn't make the chase, they changed it. Now with Jimmie Johnson owning the new system, those in power are thinking of changing it again. Why? Because people are tired of Jimmie winning it all the time. Remember, they changed from the original format because people didn't like the results. Now people want it back. And you say they don't listen to the fans. Where does it end?
  23. JustMe
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    It don't. No matter what changes nascar makes or don't make, fans will still complain about it.
  24. dpkimmel2001
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    And when you look back at the results the Chase has produced, it hasn't been all that much different 'point wise'. To steal your line, 'Some years you will have someone lock up the title two races early and some you will have 4 drivers with a shot. Just the way it goes......'.
  25. ted@economy
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    ted@economy STUMP

    If it weren't for the chase,Junior and the rest would still be in the race for the championship.So the chase is taking away competition not adding to it.
  26. VaDirt
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    VaDirt Dirt Track Fanatic

    Really???

    Dale Earnhardt Jr. 2847 -738

    11 races left, even by the old standard, I would beg to differ that "he's still in the race for the championship."
  27. MRM
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    MRM Team Owner

    Yep, that's it.
  28. John Galt
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    I assume that you're talking about Bill Sr., right?
  29. SpeedPagan
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    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    Maybe Nascar should STOP listening to the fan if that's the case.
  30. AndyMarquisLive
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    The Chase was invented to compete with the NFL. A lot of fans thought it was stupid then.

    However, most fans won't be happy unless their guy wins it all which is why fans are unhappy with NASCAR because Junyer hadn't done **** in six years.
  31. GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN
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    86 the chase, it has been done and it sucks.

    Revamp the points system, get away from giving points for consistancy. More points for the winner and top 5, none after that.
  32. ted@economy
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    I beg to differ.I think that with eleven races left,Newman ,Kane and some of the others could at least finsh the year well up in the top ten. Restricting them to 13th or lower doesn't help the racing in my books .Every year there is one guy who we goes on a tear and we say "If it wern't for the chase,he would have finished XX! "
  33. VaDirt
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    You can beg all you want, but running mid-pack consistently isn't going to get anyone a championship, chase or no chase.

    I als think you can keep begging NASCAR to go backwards and re-institute the old sysem, and guess what. They ain't gonna do it. The thing about the chase is that it's the same for everyone. You have to run better than mediocre for the first 26 races to have a chance. The only person to EVER come from a deficit that big was Kulwicki, and he only made up about 400 points, and only had to pass 3 or 4 others in the points during that streak. Thinking that someone could make up 700+ points is a pipe dream.

    The whole problem here isn't really the chase. I mean yeah, sure, people don't like the chase, but if they'd just quit tinkering with it, eventually it would be accepted.
  34. dpkimmel2001
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    Kulwicki was 278 after Dover in '92' with 6 races remaining and sitting 4th in points. Quite an accomplishment. I agree, to think that anyone those 600+ points back sitting in 13th on down would have a chance to win the Cup under the old system is nothing more than the mentioned 'pipe dream'. I'm not sure that was the point though if understood what 'ted' was saying. I imagine that he was simply saying that while a guy running from 13th on down with 10 races remaining has no chance for improvement anymore. He simply is where he is with absolutely nothing left to accomplish over the next 10 races other than striving for 13th. As a fan of the old system I don't like that scenario at all.

    I know that they're not going to bring back the old system but that doesn't mean that I have to like it the way it is. I don't remember the public outcry about Kenseth wining the Championship with only one win. It wasn't the first time that had happened. Under this system, there is more of a chance of that happening today than there ever was. 5 of the 12 drivers currently eligible for the Chase have 0 wins. 2 others only have 1. I think the only reason that the Chase came about was, like mentioned before, to compete with the NFL. That too, is a 'pipe dream'.

    It seems that most people on here don't like the idea of awarding the Cup for consistency. That's the way I watched it scored for 20+ years as a fan and that makes it hard for me to accept or compare a champion today to years gone by. Consistency is a measure of success throughout the year IMO. A 10 race shootout at the end of a season isn't.

    I agree that now that they have it, quit screwing with it. Leave it alone. Eventually old fans like me will be gone and the Chase will be all that what fans are left remember. :beerbang:
  35. SpeedPagan
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    If they really want to have a "playoff" format, they should pit Nationwide and Sprint against each other in the last 10 races. Of course you'll have to bar any Sprint driver from racing in Nationwide for this to work. Take the top 10 drivers from Sprint, and the Top 10 drivers from Nationwide, and have them race against each other in the final 10 races.
  36. dpkimmel2001
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    Does this mean that if Kyle Busch wins one of the final 10 races it counts as two wins? :D

    Seriously though, what does one series have to do with the other? I don't get it. :confused:
  37. SpeedPagan
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    Nothing, I was just making the point that if they wanted a "play off" system like the NFL, then they should go all the way. The NFL has two conferences the AFC and NFC. Sprint and Nationwide could be considered conferences of Nascar if we're going down this route.

    Of course personally I think they don't need to change the Chase format at all, and instead try to get the racing teams into shape so that they can actually compete against Jimmie Johnson in the final 10 races.
  38. dpkimmel2001
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    That would be true if the were equal divisions but they're not. I understand what you're saying. Maybe if there were east/west or north/south divisions of equal specs.

    Maybe WAL*MART will take over this series and 'roll back' Jimmie Johnson's points after the 26th race each season to give other teams a chance. :growl:
  39. 97forever
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    97forever Team Owner

    Tweak it, don't tweak it, just remember, eventually people simply are not going to care.
  40. Mopardh9
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    All the local tracks don't have a chase format and it works just fine, get rid of the stupid gimmicky chase. It was always and is a farce as far as i'm concerned.

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