The real championship thread

ted@economy said:
Here's a question for y'all . Was ' win and you're in ' an attempt to give Danica a chance to make the chase ? After all, she might have pulled off a Trevor Bayne at Daytona .
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I always thought when NASCAR expanded the chase from the top 10 to the top 12 was an attempt to keep Dale Jr relevant.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I always thought when NASCAR expanded the chase from the top 10 to the top 12 was an attempt to keep Dale Jr relevant.
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Oddly enough, had the current format been used in 2013, he would've been the champion.
 
In F1 they are awarding double points for the final race. Dumbest thing ever. Be glad that NASCAR doesn't have that going on.
 
ToyYoda said:
I think some of us have handled the new chase format kind of like the 5 stages of death:

Denial (there's no way they'll ever do this to the chase)

Anger (they better not do this to the chase or I'm done with NASCAR!)

Bargaining (well, maybe they're just floating this idea to see what everybody thinks)

Depression (oh no, they really did this to the chase)

Acceptance (well, I guess this is what we've got, let's see how it goes)
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looks like almost all of you guys are still stuck somewhere in 1st 4 stages ! :D
 
ted@economy said:
Here's a question for y'all . Was ' win and you're in ' an attempt to give Danica a chance to make the chase ? After all, she might have pulled off a Trevor Bayne at Daytona .
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yep. dinger too. wildcard rule.
 
ted@economy said:
Makes the drivers try harder to win . Check out Joey's stats . He does better at the higher paying races .
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He just does better. Period :D

I duno about higher paying races but I know he does what he's had to when needed... hopefully up to and including his first Martinsville win to lock him into the final 4 :)
 
SlicedBread22 said:
He just does better. Period :D

I duno about higher paying races but I know he does what he's had to when needed... hopefully up to and including his first Martinsville win to lock him into the final 4 :)
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Yeah , I don't think Martinsville is that big a payin race as some of the others . He may let that one slide to Landon Cassill or Timmy Hill. :)
 
ted@economy said:
Makes the drivers try harder to win . Check out Joey's stats . He does better at the higher paying races .
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What do you mean when you say "higher paying?" Do you mean races inside the Chase, or races which actually earn you more money, like the most prestigious ones?
 
Just 7 points ahead of second.

That is outrageous.
 
Reck said:
Just 7 points ahead of second.

That is outrageous.
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Just wait. The unofficial (unfortunately) points are coming soon.

Edit for clarification: hold your anger till you see the "old, illegitimate, living in the past, so those championships don't count" standings.
 
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JEB said:
BTW, for anyone who cares, this would be Jeff's 7th championship if Brian France never happened.

The same way Earnhardt and Petty did it.
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w/ 3 more races left ?
that sounds familiar. :D
 
Unofficial Top 25 in 2014 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase):
[after Martinville, race 33 of 36]
(using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
1) #24-Jeff Gordon(C1), 1159
2) #22-Joey Logano(C3), 1117, -42
3) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr., 1070, -89
4) #2-Brad Keselowski(C7), 1056, -103
5) #4-Kevin Harvick(C8), 1033, -126
6) #20-Matt Kenseth(C4), 1032, -127
7) #31-Ryan Newman(C2), 1031, -128
8) #99-Carl Edwards(C6), 985, -174
9) #42-Kyle Larson, 981, -178
10) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 979, -180
11) #16-Greg Biffle, 931, -228
12) #15-Clint Bowyer, 923, -236
13) #18-Kyle Busch, 914, -245
14) #3-Austin Dillon, 910, -249
15) #1-Jamie McMurray, 906, -253
16) #5-Kasey Kahne, 905, -254
17) #11-Denny Hamlin(C5), 874, -285
18) #27-Paul Menard, 856, -303
19) #55-Brian Vickers, 847, -312
20) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 806, -353
21) #41-Kurt Busch, 803, -356
22) #9-Marcos Ambrose, 802, -357
23) #78-Martin Truex Jr., 773, -386
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 749, -410
25) #13-Casey Mears, 723, -436
 
JEB said:
Unofficial Top 25 in 2014 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase):
[after Martinville, race 33 of 36]
(using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
1) #24-Jeff Gordon(C1), 1159
2) #22-Joey Logano(C3), 1117, -42
3) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr., 1070, -89
4) #2-Brad Keselowski(C7), 1056, -103
5) #4-Kevin Harvick(C8), 1033, -126
6) #20-Matt Kenseth(C4), 1032, -127
7) #31-Ryan Newman(C2), 1031, -128
8) #99-Carl Edwards(C6), 985, -174
9) #42-Kyle Larson, 981, -178
10) #48-Jimmie Johnson, 979, -180
11) #16-Greg Biffle, 931, -228
12) #15-Clint Bowyer, 923, -236
13) #18-Kyle Busch, 914, -245
14) #3-Austin Dillon, 910, -249
15) #1-Jamie McMurray, 906, -253
16) #5-Kasey Kahne, 905, -254
17) #11-Denny Hamlin(C5), 874, -285
18) #27-Paul Menard, 856, -303
19) #55-Brian Vickers, 847, -312
20) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 806, -353
21) #41-Kurt Busch, 803, -356
22) #9-Marcos Ambrose, 802, -357
23) #78-Martin Truex Jr., 773, -386
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 749, -410
25) #13-Casey Mears, 723, -436
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There's a little mistake. Tony Stewart would be in 25th.
 
JEB said:
BTW, for anyone who cares, this would be Jeff's 7th championship if Brian France never happened.

The same way Earnhardt and Petty did it.
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There is no way to know for certain that Jeff would have won 5 and 6.

Why do so many people have such a hard time grasping such a simple concept?
 
The Real Championship Standings (after Martinsville)
1. Jeff Gordon -- 4044
2. Ryan Newman -3
3. Joey Logano -4
4. Matt Kenseth -5
5. Denny Hamlin -7
6. Carl Edwards -20
7. Brad Keselowski -31
8. Kevin Harvick -33
9. Kyle Busch -1814
10. AJ Allmendinger -1846
 
Matthew2470 said:
There is no way to know for certain that Jeff would have won 5 and 6.

Why do so many people have such a hard time grasping such a simple concept?
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"Classic" 2004 Points Standings...the old way, not the Chase after Homestead:
1) #24-Jeff Gordon 5042
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 4995 -47
3) #8-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4869 -173
4) #97-Kurt Busch 4795 -247 CHASE CHAMP
5) #20-Tony Stewart 4701 -341
6) #6-Mark Martin 4597 -445
7) #42-Jamie McMurray 4597 -445
8) #17-Matt Kenseth 4376 -666
9) #12-Ryan Newman 4361 -681
10) #38-Elliott Sadler 4315 -727
11) #18-Bobby Labonte 4277 -765
12) #9-Kasey Kahne* 4274 -768
13) #29-Kevin Harvick 4228 -814
14) #88-Dale Jarrett 4214 -828
"Classic" 2007 Points Standings...the old way, not the Chase after Homestead:
(Traditional Points...the old way, not the Chase)
1) #24-Jeff Gordon 5455
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 5102, -353 CHASE CHAMP
3) #20-Tony Stewart 4749
4) #17-Matt Kenseth 4718
5) #11-Denny Hamlin 4623
6) #5-Kyle Busch 4585
7) #99-Carl Edwards 4574
8) #07-Clint Bowyer 4556
9) #31-Jeff Burton 4549
10) #2-Kurt Busch 4371
11) #29-Kevin Harvick 4344
12) #1-Martin Truex Jr. 4314
13) #12-Ryan Newman 4046
14) #16-Greg Biffle 3991
15) #25-Casey Mears 3949
16) #8-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 3929
 
Matthew2470 said:
There is no way to know for certain that Jeff would have won 5 and 6.

Why do so many people have such a hard time grasping such a simple concept?
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Yeah, there isn't. But I find fascinating to explore all the different "what if?" scenarios.
 
Matthew2470 said:
There is no way to know for certain that Jeff would have won 5 and 6.

Why do so many people have such a hard time grasping such a simple concept?
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Maybe not in '04, but with as much as Gordon would have won the '07 title by based on how they ran, I think it's pretty safe to say he would have been the 2007 champion but for the chase. I don't believe "they would have raced different" can explain away a 353 point lead.
 
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hawg dawg said:
ha! great answer sb !
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I just seriously.. cannot understand why this is STILL being dragged out like it is. Yes guys we get it. You all hate the chase.

I just cant imagine that these ppl have actually been doing this for 10 years now... I'm getting tired of it just after 10 months from 2014. So they MUST be getting tired of complaining.. right? One can only hope lol
 
NASCAR Fans be like...

"88 miles an hour on average is fast enough to win the cup"
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SlicedBread22 said:
I just seriously.. cannot understand why this is STILL being dragged out like it is. Yes guys we get it. You all hate the chase.

I just cant imagine that these ppl have actually been doing this for 10 years now... I'm getting tired of it just after 10 months from 2014. So they MUST be getting tired of complaining.. right? One can only hope lol
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Hope in one hand and **** in the other.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I just seriously.. cannot understand why this is STILL being dragged out like it is. Yes guys we get it. You all hate the chase.

I just cant imagine that these ppl have actually been doing this for 10 years now... I'm getting tired of it just after 10 months from 2014. So they MUST be getting tired of complaining.. right? One can only hope lol
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I actually wouldn't mind doing these 10 years in a row. They're fun.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I just seriously.. cannot understand why this is STILL being dragged out like it is. Yes guys we get it. You all hate the chase.

I just cant imagine that these ppl have actually been doing this for 10 years now... I'm getting tired of it just after 10 months from 2014. So they MUST be getting tired of complaining.. right? One can only hope lol
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This is the could of, would of, should of, 20/20 hindsight thread..as the thread founder ol Jeb is fond of saying. $hit in one hand and wish in the other and see what fills up first..pretty much sums up this whole thread. :blink:
 
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