Unofficial "Classic" Driver Points

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Standings after Atlanta [33 of 36 races]:
(Traditional Points...the old way, not the Chase)
1) #24-Jeff Gordon 5010
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 4571 -439
3) #20-Tony Stewart 4386 -624
4) #99-Carl Edwards 4292 -718
5) #07-Clint Bowyer 4269 -741
6) #11-Denny Hamlin 4257 -753
7) #17-Matt Kenseth 4173 -837
8) #5-Kyle Busch 4165 -845
9) #31-Jeff Burton 4119 -891
10) #29-Kevin Harvick 3954 -1056
11) #2-Kurt Busch 3922 -1088
12) #1-Martin Truex Jr 3838 -1172
13) #8-Dale Earnhardt Jr 3714 -1296
14) #25-Casey Mears 3635 -1375
15) #16-Greg Biffle 3633 -1377
16) #12-Ryan Newman 3612 -1398
 
tkj24 said:
That is sick. Jimmy would have never caught him the old way.:mad:
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I personally...

tkj24 said:
That is sick. Jimmy would have never caught him the old way.:mad:
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... love the Chase. Busch Series sucks because you know who's going to win the championship. No fun when you know who the champion is 10 races into the season. There's no point to watching any other race except the Daytona 500. Now, every race is as important as the one before it.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
... love the Chase. Busch Series sucks because you know who's going to win the championship. No fun when you know who the champion is 10 races into the season. There's no point to watching any other race except the Daytona 500. Now, every race is as important as the one before it.
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I'm with you on this one Andy in that I love the chase. Maybe something like the Chase should be included with the Busch series. But I've got to say that I am not one who only watches the races to see who might win the big title. I can go to any local race, not knowing who is the top driver and find someone to root for. I love racing in it's purist form and that is why I'm a fan of stock car racing. But then again, I love open wheel racing as well. What the hell, I love to see swamp races too, but it's been quite a while since I've seen a car going through the Sippy hole. :)
 
Yeah, I sure dug out an old one. I still like looking at these to see what may have been if NASCAR were going about this the right way.....

Missing out on a good, natural, battle for the lead.

Unofficial Top 25 in 2016 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase):
[after Kansas, race 31 of 36]
(using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
1) #4-Kevin Harvick (C2), 993
2) #2-Brad Keselowski (C11), 985, -8
3) #18-Kyle Busch (C4), 944, -49
4) #22-Joey Logano (C8), 933, -60
5) #41-Kurt Busch (C6), 914, -79
6) #19-Carl Edwards (C5), 913, -80
7) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (C7), 909, -84
8) #11-Denny Hamlin (C10), 906, -87
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (C1), 867, -126
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (C3), 855, -138
11) #3-Austin Dillon (C9), 809, -184
12) #24-Chase Elliott (C12), 807, -186
13) #5-Kasey Kahne, 797, -196
14) #31-Ryan Newman, 767, -226
15) #1-Jamie McMurray (CX), 764, - 229
16) #42-Kyle Larson (CX), 763, -230
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 686, -307
18) #21-Ryan Blaney, 682, -311
19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 680, -313
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 675, -318
21) #10-Danica Patrick, 600, -393
22) #16-Greg Biffle, 564, -429
23) #27-Paul Menard, 563, -430
24) #14-Tony Stewart (CX), 562, -431
25) #15-Clint Bowyer, 541, -452
(C# = chase driver and current Chase position)
(EC = chase driver that has been eliminated from the Chase)
(10-16-2016)
 
BobbyFord said:
Standings after Atlanta [33 of 36 races]:
(Traditional Points...the old way, not the Chase)
1) #24-Jeff Gordon 5010
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 4571 -439
3) #20-Tony Stewart 4386 -624
4) #99-Carl Edwards 4292 -718
5) #07-Clint Bowyer 4269 -741
6) #11-Denny Hamlin 4257 -753
7) #17-Matt Kenseth 4173 -837
8) #5-Kyle Busch 4165 -845
9) #31-Jeff Burton 4119 -891
10) #29-Kevin Harvick 3954 -1056
11) #2-Kurt Busch 3922 -1088
12) #1-Martin Truex Jr 3838 -1172
13) #8-Dale Earnhardt Jr 3714 -1296
14) #25-Casey Mears 3635 -1375
15) #16-Greg Biffle 3633 -1377
16) #12-Ryan Newman 3612 -1398
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I'm not sure what I'm looking at. Gordon is not part of this year's standings.
 
So you're telling me we would have a close battle even without a chase? This can't be true because NASCAR told me we need a chase to have an exciting championship race.
 
Good thing I wasn't here in 07'.

What is crazy is we have had about 5 different forms of "the chase" since then.
 
DUN24 said:
Good thing I wasn't here in 07'.

What is crazy is we have had about 5 different forms of "the chase" since then.
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Crazy? IDK. That seems like the norm. I don't believe any two years have been alike. That really says something about the whole Chase concept in general.
 
I wonder what the drivers think about the various point systems. There have been quite a few even before the chase.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I wonder what the drivers think about the various point systems. There have been quite a few even before the chase.
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No changes were made with the points from 1975 until the Chase started in 2004. Before 1975 it was still the driver that accumulated the most points over an entire season that was declared champion.
 
I didn't read through the thread as I think applying former point systems to the current way racing is done provides no value. With win and you're in you can win a race early and can take liberties with the rest of the season and go into test mode if you desire. Under the old system you had to be up on the wheel every lap of every race or you had no chance of coming out on top at season's end.

Nascar thought by going to the lottery system it would place a premium on winning races but in their ignorance they forgot that the top teams were going to win anyway and once you win one time the incentive for winning again is negligible. Narcar outsmarts itself again.
 
Dump the Chase, keep the 1-40 point system, award 5 bonus points instead of 3 for a win. Maximum points in a race is now 47 points.
 
40 points to win. 3 bonus points. 1 for leading a lap and 1 for leading the most laps. If the winner leads the most laps, the max is 45.
 
Please no. I can't take a full season of points racing like we saw at Dover.
 
To me , there isn't, and never was , "points racing" . There was just racing . The thought that race car drivers did anything else , other than try hard to finish as high as they could , is just silly . I have heard some of the drivers who lost the race say to their fans and sponsors . " Well we did have a good points day ! " .I took that to mean , "We are really pissed that we didn't win , but that would be a childish thing to say on TV " . No car owner wants a driver who is satisfied with "a good points day " , no crew or crew chief wants a driver who is satisfied with "a good points day ", No sponsor wants a driver who is satisfied with "a good points day" . To add insult to injury , Nascar says to the fans , "yep , them boys ain't tryin ! " and they institute a "win and you're in philosophy " . Stupider (to quote Mr. Trump) . If you find a driver that doesn't want to race , tell us .
 
ted@economy said:
To me , there isn't, and never was , "points racing" . There was just racing . The thought that race car drivers did anything else , other than try hard to finish as high as they could , is just silly . I have heard some of the drivers who lost the race say to their fans and sponsors . " Well we did have a good points day ! " .I took that to mean , "We are really pissed that we didn't win , but that would be a childish thing to say on TV " . No car owner wants a driver who is satisfied with "a good points day " , no crew or crew chief wants a driver who is satisfied with "a good points day ", No sponsor wants a driver who is satisfied with "a good points day" . To add insult to injury , Nascar says to the fans , "yep , them boys ain't tryin ! " and they institute a "win and you're in philosophy " . Stupider (to quote Mr. Trump) . If you find a driver that doesn't want to race , tell us .
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Agreed.

Points racing may affect team strategy as far as gambling on setups or adjustments on pit stops or whatever, but it doesn't change the way any racer drives on the track. Unless, of course, you're Kevin Harvick on a restart at Talladega and you know your car can only accelerate as fast as a Prius. Come to think of it, there are a few more examples. Was it Newman who body slammed Larson with a last second dive bomb to keep himself from being eliminated? And how about that Clint Bowyer guy with his poison oak? Yeah, the Chase sure makes the racing better all right :rolleyes:
 
I wasn't sure if dpkimmel would update the list he made in post #13, so I made an update.

Unofficial Top25 in 2016 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings after 32 of 36 races:

1) #4-Kevin Harvick (C), 1027
2) #2-Brad Keselowski (EC12), 990, -37
3) #22-Joey Logano (C), 977, -50
4) #18-Kyle Busch (C), 956, -71
5) #41-Kurt Busch (C), 951, -76
6) #19-Carl Edwards (C), 926, -101
7) #11-Denny Hamlin (C), 945, -82
8) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (EC12), 911, -116
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (C), 885, -142
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (C), 869, -158
11) #3-Austin Dillon (EC12), 842, -185
12) #24-Chase Elliott (EC12), 837, -190
13) #5-Kasey Kahne, 803, -224
14) #42-Kyle Larson (EC16), 798, -229
15) #31-Ryan Newman, 794, -233
16) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC16), 786, - 241
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 717, -310
18) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 717, -310
19) #21-Ryan Blaney, 713, -314
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 699, -328
21) #10-Danica Patrick, 621, -406
22) #16-Greg Biffle, 591, -436
23) #27-Paul Menard, 591, -436
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 573, -454
25) #14-Tony Stewart (EC16), 572, -455
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28)#34-Chris Buescher (EC16), 481, -546

(C=still in the Chase)
(EC12=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 12)
(EC16=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 16)
 
Looks like that nice "natural" battle between the 2 and 4 is quickly slipping away after Brad's two DNF's. Under this supposedly great system Harvick will probably lock it all up even before he gets to the Kevin Harvick 500. I guess Kez should have hung back more at Kansas and Dega instead of putting on a show.. gotta protect those points eh? They're the only "legitimate" way to crown a champ.
 
It looks like Kez will have to put Harvick in the wall to get back in contention. But then it is Martinsville.
 
donthaveanickname said:
I wasn't sure if dpkimmel would update the list he made in post #13, so I made an update.

Unofficial Top25 in 2016 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings after 32 of 36 races:

1) #4-Kevin Harvick (C), 1027
2) #2-Brad Keselowski (EC12), 990, -37
3) #22-Joey Logano (C), 977, -50
4) #18-Kyle Busch (C), 956, -71
5) #41-Kurt Busch (C), 951, -76
6) #19-Carl Edwards (C), 926, -101
7) #11-Denny Hamlin (C), 945, -82
8) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (EC12), 911, -116
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (C), 885, -142
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (C), 869, -158
11) #3-Austin Dillon (EC12), 842, -185
12) #24-Chase Elliott (EC12), 837, -190
13) #5-Kasey Kahne, 803, -224
14) #42-Kyle Larson (EC16), 798, -229
15) #31-Ryan Newman, 794, -233
16) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC16), 786, - 241
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 717, -310
18) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 717, -310
19) #21-Ryan Blaney, 713, -314
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 699, -328
21) #10-Danica Patrick, 621, -406
22) #16-Greg Biffle, 591, -436
23) #27-Paul Menard, 591, -436
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 573, -454
25) #14-Tony Stewart (EC16), 572, -455
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28)#34-Chris Buescher (EC16), 481, -546

(C=still in the Chase)
(EC12=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 12)
(EC16=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 16)
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Wasn't my list. I think I pulled it from racing-reference.info maybe?

In any case, thanks for posting. I like seeing how things should be playing out.

Queue the, 'Well, they would be racing different' and the like. That would certainly have some truth to it. We wouldn't have seen 75% of the JGR organization running a$$ end of the field last weekend. They'd be going for the win to get the most points they could get.
 
Acs said:
Looks like that nice "natural" battle between the 2 and 4 is quickly slipping away after Brad's two DNF's. Under this supposedly great system Harvick will probably lock it all up even before he gets to the Kevin Harvick 500. I guess Kez should have hung back more at Kansas and Dega instead of putting on a show.. gotta protect those points eh? They're the only "legitimate" way to crown a champ.
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I couldn't agree more with that last sentence.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
We wouldn't have seen 75% of the JGR organization running a$$ end of the field last weekend. They'd be going for the win to get the most points they could get.
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We wouldn’t have been suggesting intentionally blowing a motor to be home in time to watch the end from the couch either.
 
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