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•NASCAR plans more scoring loops at Bristol: Bristol Motor Speedway is unique among NASCAR Sprint Cup tracks in that it has two separate pit roads - one along each straightaway. That alignment does not fit well with NASCAR's modern method of pitting, which includes strict pit-road speeds and an attempt to make pit stops and the entrance to and exit from the pits as equal as possible. That was not the case in Saturday night's Irwin Tools Night Race at the track. Race winner Brad Keselowski and others appeared to benefit from the location of their pits, giving them more room to move faster in certain sections of pit road. Other pit spots were not as advantageous. NASCAR Sprint Cup Series director John Darby admitted after the race that the situation was not ideal and said NASCAR will address it. "We understand what happened, and we're already looking at it," he said. "We'll probably put in two more scoring loops on each side of pit road." Darby's intent is to add loops on the Bristol surface, thus providing a closer read on speeds. Based primarily on their pit locations, some drivers were positioned to "speed" along portions of pit road, then quickly hit their brakes before being detected. Additional loops should take care of that discrepancy.(SPEED)(8-28-2011)
 
Jimmie Johnson outright said they use this at certain tracks for an advantage, last year
 
Since NASCAR has decided to go to fuel injection in 2012, they could probably incorporate an addressable component into the ECU that would act as a governor, and automatically be activated whenever a car enters Pit Road.

End of problem!
 
robbybee said:
Since NASCAR has decided to go to fuel injection in 2012, they could probably incorporate an addressable component into the ECU that would act as a governor, and automatically be activated whenever a car enters Pit Road.

End of problem!
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That would be good.
 
Since it was so obvious that Kesoloski and Kenseth were speeding, why couldn't an official just point a radar gun at them as they left their pits to get an accurate reading of how fast they got up to before braking. When you pass 2 cars on pit row each time you left your pits, something was certainly not right. Definitly cost Jeff the race last night.
 
They Better Do Something quick!! The Kez Machine ain't playin!!!
 
Why can't nascar just leave **** alone? I love it when teams find something that they can use to their advantage. Maybe leaving it alone will make some teams want to try harder at qualifying. It's one of the few advantages teams can use without spending any extra money or try to hide from a template, let them use it.
 
chromehorn said:
Why can't nascar just leave **** alone? I love it when teams find something that they can use to their advantage. Maybe leaving it alone will make some teams want to try harder at qualifying. It's one of the few advantages teams can use without spending any extra money or try to hide from a template, let them use it.
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I could agree with that if the pit road speed wasn't instituted for safety reasons.
 
#17D500winner said:
The same reason speed limits are posted on public highways.
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Bucky Badger said:
Come on...The speed for...like 3 seconds:rolleyes:
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chromehorn said:
They aren't going that much faster than they would at a bigger track.
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Standing by what I said. It was instituted for safety reasons after at least one crew member was injured.If one car is passing cars like they're parked, that, to me, is a safety concern and needs to be addressed.

If you think speeding on one part of pit road is fine, why not just push no no pit road speed limit then?
 
VaDirt said:
Standing by what I said. It was instituted for safety reasons after at least one crew member was injured.If one car is passing cars like they're parked, that, to me, is a safety concern and needs to be addressed.

If you think speeding on one part of pit road is fine, why not just push no no pit road speed limit then?
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A member of Bill Elliots crew was killed by on pit road.
 
The bottom line for me is this, as many have said there is pit road speeds for a reason. These speeds vary based on the size and layout of that tracks pit road. Drivers should have to obey this speed at ALL SECTIONS of pit road. Period!

I am a fan of JJ and I didn't agree with it when he was taking advantage of the scoring loops, and I didn't agree with it last night. Anybody could tell that both the 17 and 2 were speeding. The speed limit is for the safety of the crews, drivers and officials and it should be up held at all times.

If I am driving here in WV in a 55 mph speed zone, if I get pulled over for doing 70 I can't say "well I didn't know you were radaring me there" and get out of a ticket. So how can there is no scoring loop there be an excuse for not recieving a penalty when any joe can see that you are speeding.
 
if they want to make it perfect why dont they just measure the speed of all the cars if they break pit road speed for more than a second then penalize them
 
robbybee said:
Since NASCAR has decided to go to fuel injection in 2012, they could probably incorporate an addressable component into the ECU that would act as a governor, and automatically be activated whenever a car enters Pit Road.

End of problem!
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a-la F1/all FIA cars IIRC
 
chromehorn said:
Why can't nascar just leave **** alone? I love it when teams find something that they can use to their advantage. Maybe leaving it alone will make some teams want to try harder at qualifying. It's one of the few advantages teams can use without spending any extra money or try to hide from a template, let them use it.
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I'm all for letting them play in the "grey" area to get advantages, but when it comes to pit road speed it should be fair for everyone.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I'm all for letting them play in the "grey" area to get advantages, but when it comes to pit road speed it should be fair for everyone.
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Exactly correct IMO. As far as the track goes these teams should all be on an even playing field. What surprises me though is why did this only become an issue now? This is nothing new. This has been going on for a long, long time. You'd almost think that this was the first time that this ever happened.
 
No problem with Brad K, or JJ exploiting the loops, in fact I would question the honesty of the ones who claim innocence. Way to go Brad K, for being a racer, and creative.


However, I think Virginia Dirt's point is a great one. If Nascar want's safe pit roads, then good enforcement is a must. Again I want to stress I think Brad's exploitation is legit, it just exposed a problem on Nascar's side.


As for pit road speeds I hate them. It changed racing to much in 90's. But even more important I don't ever want see anyone else hit by a car in the pits.


It is an unfortunate and sad must do. So if Nascar mandates a speed, then the best methods of enforcement should also apply.


The racers job to exploit
Nascars job to keep the pit speeds safe.
You either have a speed limit, or you don't.
 
Greg said:
No problem with Brad K, or JJ exploiting the loops, in fact I would question the honesty of the ones who claim innocence. Way to go Brad K, for being a racer, and creative.


However, I think Virginia Dirt's point is a great one. If Nascar want's safe pit roads, then good enforcement is a must. Again I want to stress I think Brad's exploitation is legit, it just exposed a problem on Nascar's side.


As for pit road speeds I hate them. It changed racing to much in 90's. But even more important I don't ever want see anyone else hit by a car in the pits.


It is an unfortunate and sad must do. So if Nascar mandates a speed, then the best methods of enforcement should also apply.


The racers job to exploit
Nascars job to keep the pit speeds safe.
You either have a speed limit, or you don't.
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I Agree with you 110%!

It's a Drivers and Teams job to exploit every rule to the limit and I appluad the ones that do.

It's NASCARs job to close in the "Grey Areas" in this case it appears their on it pretty quick.
 
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