Indycar Disrespect

DUN24

DUN24

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DUN24 said:
... The arrogance of F1 as a whole is astounding. ...
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No, the arrogance of Hamilton is astounding. Alonso came over and had a great time, remember? But if it's so easy, I'm sure someone can find Lewis a one-off that doesn't conflict with his F1 schedule. I don't know what their schedule looks like, but Phoenix or Iowa would be ... interesting.
 
I thought Hamilton expressed an interest in NASCAR just last year.

I've always felt that a good driver can be competitive in any series given adequate practice.
 
Don't understand how people can like this guy. Just bad-mouths Indycar, which right now is a better product then F1. Hamilton thinks that since Alonso qualified 5th means that Indycar drivers aren't good? Put guys like Dixon, Bourdais, Pagenaud, and Power in Hamilton's car and they will perform and get wins, hell put Alonso in that Mercedes and he would dominate. Would love to see Hamilton try a oval race, but that won't happen because he knows he will struggle. Hamilton is a great driver don't get me wrong, but the man has been in great equipment his whole career. Maybe one day we will see Hamilton run Indy, he may prove me wrong and do great, or struggle a little and prove that Indycar drivers are better then he thinks.
 
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Hamilton hates Alonso and he will throw anyone under the bus to make him look inferior.

This isn't even about the Indycar drivers as much as it is about Alonso doing so good throughout the Indy practices/qualifying/race.

To Get that 88 up there's point that he's too scared to try anything else. I believe he's said he wants to try a NASCAR race at Watkins Glen. I think Gordon and him talked about that prospect for him to do one, one day.
 
Hamilton qualified 13th at Monaco... I think that says a lot about the driver of that car....
 
aunty dive said:
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Let the man do him, but I'll say this about this whole thing.

I understand the sentiment of IndyCar drivers being inferior, but it just shows the lack of respect for our Indy drivers. I guess he forgot that Montoya and Villeneuve came from CART and had success in F1, Mansell, Fittipauldi, Andretti came from F1 and had success in CART. Not every driver that has come from F1 has come in and dominated. Look at Rubens in '12, he was solid, but he did not give himself at lot of time and left because his family did not like oval racing. Its not for everyone.

To run a full-season for the current field of drivers in F1, I'd like to see them try it. Especially Vettel, Raikkonen, Massa, and Magnussen they seem like they would get on well.
 
I actually agree with him to an extent. F1 and NASCAR drivers are much better than Indycar drivers, we see literally all the top American talent go to NASCAR today
 
Indycars are way more stable than F1's if I'm not mistaken right?

They dont want to snap like the F1 machines do on a blink of an eye.
 
^ Add to Zerk's comment... Also look at how closely aligned the two Mercs are in lap times, the two Ferraris, the two Red Bulls, the two Saubers, etc. Compare that to the Andretti or Ganassi or Penske or Coyne teammates. The car dominates the F1 results like no other major racing series.

IMO, there are a handful of top drivers in F1. Currently it is a small handful. Nascar has the greatest depth of top drivers, and that is one of the strengths of Nascar. I'm not surprised to see LH sniping at FA and at IndyCar... it fits the pattern.
 
Assessing the talent of drivers using IMS as your data point is never going to be fair, or accurate. Fernando ran great. It was awesome to see. However, he was in one of the 5 best cars in Indianapolis. That is extremely important.

I see people trying to say Indy and their competitors are equal to Super Formula and it's competitors.. That is bull****. The spec cars, maybe... but not the drivers.
 
Lewis Hamilton qualified 4th at his first Formula 1 grand prix. He lost the WDC by one point to Kimi in his rookie season, and would've won the damn thing if he didn't beach the car entering the pit at China.

That is...interesting.
 
^ A good comment on the relative (lack of) difficulty of driving F1 cars fast. Also, isn't Kimi the guy that had only raced ~15 auto races *total in his life* when he made his full-time F1 debut? That too is interesting.
 
I am no fan of Lewis Hamilton's comments sniping at Alonso's obvious brass balls and stellar success at Indy. It seems that Lewis is jealous that the eyes of the racing world have been firmly fixed upon his Spanish rival for a solid month. However, Hamilton is largely accurate with this observation...
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Great drivers, if they can’t succeed in Formula One, look for titles in other races.
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Regardless of the overwhelming importance in F1 of the car one has to drive, it is true that F1 is a destination series, while IndyCar generally is not. There are a few exceptions, but the key resume item shared by most IndyCar drivers is "washed out of F1 before making it to the Big Show or soon after getting there." There are really only three racing series that are the destination series for tarmac racers... F1, Nascar, and MotoGP. The other series are populated largely by those who are hoping to get there, and those who didn't make it.

However, this does not alter the fact that the Indy 500 is a singular event of great worldwide fame and relevance, one that is very demanding of skills, preparation, and courage. It is a race that has been a major priority for many of F1's finest champions over the years. Lewis Hamilton is small-minded and insecure. Just my $0.02.

TL;DR: Lewis Hamilton, STFU.
 
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Zerkfitting said:
I think F1 drivers see themselves at the top of the technology chain, the top racing series, and therefore the best drivers. But I think the car is more of a factor than the driver in F1. It seems the pole winner is usually the race winner.
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F1 is as much about being the best driver as the car being made by the best manufacturer. But a good car can finish well with a not-so-great driver. Generally not the other way around. Alonso, for example, is regarded in the F1 community as one of the best, if not the best, driver on the circuit, but his finishes are **** because his cars are ****.
 
DSquad48 said:
F1 is as much about being the best driver as the car being made by the best manufacturer. But a good car can finish well with a not-so-great driver. Generally not the other way around. Alonso, for example, is regarded in the F1 community as one of the best, if not the best, driver on the circuit, but his finishes are sh!t because his cars are sh!t.
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Guy almost won the 2012 title in a car that was probably worse than both the Red Bull and the McLaren. I wish he could find a seat in something even remotely competitive again.
 
Mispeedway15 said:
I actually agree with him to an extent. F1 and NASCAR drivers are much better than Indycar drivers, we see literally all the top American talent go to NASCAR today
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Depends on what kind of car(s) you've been developed in and on what kinds of tracks. I have no doubt that if you stuck a random Cup driver in an Indy car and gave them two hours around a road course or street circuit to get up to speed they'd be seconds off of the pace. Superspeedways would be easier to acclimate to, and short ovals somewhere in between. Same reason why legitimate prototype drivers or guys with other single-seater/road racing experience usually get the best of them whenever they show up at the Rolex 24.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Depends on what kind of car(s) you've been developed in and on what kinds of tracks. I have no doubt that if you stuck a random Cup driver in an Indy car and gave them two hours around a road course or street circuit to get up to speed they'd be seconds off of the pace. Superspeedways would be easier to acclimate to, and short ovals somewhere in between. Same reason why legitimate prototype drivers or guys with other single-seater/road racing experience usually get the best of them whenever they show up at the Rolex 24.
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If I remember correctly, Jeff Gordon only ended up a couple seconds off qualifying pace when he did the ride swap with Juan Montoya. That was a couple hours at most.
 
DUN24 said:
If I remember correctly, Jeff Gordon only ended up a couple seconds off qualifying pace when he did the ride swap with Juan Montoya. That was a couple hours at most.
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He also ate up grass. lol



Jeff Gordon is legendary anyway and comes from driving open wheel sprint cars so drivers like him adapt quicker than your average driver.
 
Alonso earned a ton of respect on the same weekend that Lewis got his ass handed to him by one of the Torro Rossos!
Sometimes it's not a great idea to mouth off about other drivers, especially if you are about to put up a sucky performance yourself.

Funny how Lewis sits in the car and sulks the first time he has a bad qualifying session (WTF, are we 12 years old?), but Sebastian Bourdais shakes off a 227 mph hit the next day by trying to talk his doctors into releasing him to race at Lemans in less than a month.

What would Lewis do if he ever had to face any real adversity? I'll bet Lauda had to cover his mouth so he didn't laugh his out loud or tell Lewis in front of everyone to grow a pair.

Lewis: "Oh, the humanity. I am too devastated to get out of the car."

Bourdais: "Come on. I can race. It's just a multiple broken pelvis."

Lauda: "I know it looks bad but it's just a flesh wound. Graft some butt tissue on there and let's race.

Jim Hurtibuise: "Just fuse my hands in the shape of a steering wheel. I've got to race next weekend."

Al Unser Jr: "It's just a broken leg. Carry me to the car and I'll do the rest."

Lauda: Look, it was only a damm tractor that landed on me and it's only three broken ribs. Tape it up and let's go.

Zanardi: Pffft! I can use my artificial leg on the gas! I don't need no brake!"

Zanardi: No legs, no problem. Let's go to the Olympics!

Sam Schmidt: Yeah I'm just paralyzed from the neck down, but I'll bet I can get that Vette around the speedway at 150 or better.

Buddy Lazier: "It's just a broken back. Maybe the doctors will let me race in the 500 next month. I might even be able to finish the race."

Lewis: "Oh, the humanity. I am too devastated to get out of the car."

After Lewis' Monaco sulkfest pity party hissy fit that was over essentially nothing and his own fault, it's going to be hard to take anything he says seriously. It's going to be especially hard not to laugh whenever he is critical of other drivers.


Meanwhile, Vettel keeps calmly racking up the points. We don't need no drama in Maranello.
 
Reck said:
Indycars are way more stable than F1's if I'm not mistaken right?

They dont want to snap like the F1 machines do on a blink of an eye.
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You might get an argument about that from Sebastian Bourdais

 
Doc Austin said:
Meanwhile, Vettel keeps calmly racking up the points. We don't need no drama in Maranello.
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LOL Vettel is another little bitch. Have you not heard his in radio chatter? Most of the time he's whining.
 
Reck said:
LOL Vettel is another little bitch. Have you not heard his in radio chatter? Most of the time he's whining.
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I like his radio chatter, he's a lot more colorful now than he was at Red Bull.

That was only the fourth time in the past three years where Hamilton did not podium in a race, cmon man. He's had it great, its time to see some competition though.
 
Reck said:
LOL Vettel is another little bitch. Have you not heard his in radio chatter? Most of the time he's whining.
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It's formula one. They are all little bitches. Some are just worse than others.

However, I did love Vettel's "*** Charlie Whiting" comment at Mexico last year.
 
kkfan91 said:
It's like a garage of Kyle Busches
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We don't see a lot of Formula One sucker punches, but you never know when Bush is going to sneak up to someone after a race and lay one on their chin.

That, and his "congratulations" and drop the mike last weekend may have been the best baby loser moment of the 21st century. It's still early though.

Bush earned a lot of respect for his comeback to win the championship, but he is petering it away with violent tantrums and stupid hissy fits. It's one thing to hate losing but you don't have to act that poorly.
 
DUN24 said:
If I remember correctly, Jeff Gordon only ended up a couple seconds off qualifying pace when he did the ride swap with Juan Montoya. That was a couple hours at most.
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It was seven laps at speed and he wound up 5.1 seconds off of JPM's US GP qualifying time. Which is probably a lot better than most guys without any single-seater experience would've done. But still, that's a significant amount of time and really goes to show you can't just hop from discipline to discipline and get up to speed seamlessly. That's miles off even what the Minardi times were.
 
kkfan91 said:
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LOL

That reminds me of one of Alonso's quotes from his presser at Barber:

“We don’t talk much there,” he said. “It’s a different world. I don’t know, the only thing that I know is probably what you guys (reporters) read, you know, because it’s what I read, as well. Some of them are happy for me and happy for this thing and curious to see how competitive we can be. Some others, they are not happy with anything in life. So this was another thing for their own problems.
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F1 and their garbage team orders and nonsense that happens as soon as someone takes the lead in the standings after race 2 is why I'll never like F1 more than Indycar. Also the amount of good teams really ruins it as well. It's like the English Premier League where only a couple of guys every year can win it. At least in NASCAR and Indycar the underdogs can actually win.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
At least in NASCAR and Indycar the underdogs can actually win.
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The biggest underdog that has ever been is Dale Coyne. They were set to have a big year, but with Bourdais out that's going to hurt them. OTOH, if the team puts their efforts behind Ed Jones, they can probably still have a reasonable year and maybe win a few races.
 
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