The Chrome Horn... cheap shot or rubbins' racin'

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What's your opinion when a driver uses the 'chrome horn' to gain a position, or win?

I think as long as it doesn't cause the car to wreck it's ok. They way I see it is, this is nascar. That's why they have fenders. lol
When it's done correctly it's a thing of beauty.

I've seen people get really upset when they see a driver do it too, so where do you fall in the issue of the chrome horn?
 
Only when t he car using the horn is faster. If someone dive bombs a corner (see Casey Elliott) that is a cheap shot. YOMV. If someone has been bumping and trying to get by but is constantly blocked, a nudge in the corner (or anyplace) is good. Especially when it is crunch time. When somebody nudges another car because they are faster, that's good racing. Most times people get upset is because it was their fav that got bumped out of the way. Remember, it is only fair when your fav does it. :rolleyes:


Yo, Smoke, ask Richard Petty how that worked for him. :rolleyes:
 
It's better done near the end of the race so the driving getting the horn doesn't have a chance to get you back... at least in that race.

I remember not too many years after Jr came to HMS, he was running a close second place to the leader Harvick at Martinsville. I was waiting/hoping Jr would chrome horn him for the win but he never did. He raced him clean and finished second.
After the race Jr said he wouldn't have felt right about winning that way.

Maybe so, but I'm pretty sure the Earnhardt Nation would have gone ape s**t over him winning like that.
 
The chrome horn beats the hell out of listening to the 2nd place driver in the faster car explain to us what idiots we are for watching a race decided by something we can't see.
 
I have no problem with a driver applying the "horn". But, if the bumper doesn't do it correctly and with finesse, he runs the risk
of taking himself out --- along with the bumpee.
To be honest, I was rooting for Junior to win his second All-Star race when he bumped Ryan and backed off to let Ryan straighten up.
 
Doing it near the end so he cant get you back is cowardly.

If he blocks you or break checks you it is validated, otherwise he invested the first 499 or so miles racing you cleanly. If a driver wants to disrespect that he shoud at least face the driver afterwards like a man without his thugs for protection.

The bump and run when used to get an undeserved win also reduces all the hard work invested with a cheap shot.

Sometimes I wonder if people have the attention span to appreciate a race run right. A prime example is the spring 2012 Martinsville race. Prior to the last flurry of cautions Gordon stalked Johnson for the last 100 laps and set it up perfectly. The ending was insanity but the set up was a thing of beauty.
 
Best chrome horn situation for me is when a driver claws his way up from the back and it is obvious that the leader is slower and blocking. both of them know he is blocking, everybody knows he is blocking. To sit behind there and never touch the guy and finish second, and then talk about being a clean racer doesn't cut it with me. If you are not bumping and rubbing or trying whatever to get by, you are a wheel holder points racing. Humpty says anybody that wins a race should be in the chase, you don't win, your out. Works for me.
 
Greg said:
A prime example is the spring 2012 Martinsville race. Prior to the last flurry of cautions Gordon stalked Johnson for the last 100 laps and set it up perfectly. The ending was insanity but the set up was a thing of beauty.
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Gordon has always said he races people the way they race him.
I remember back in the day watching Gordon race Mark Martin lap after lap for endless laps trying to pass.
But whenever Gordon got to Rusty's bumper he was always quick to move him for position. lol
 
ChexOrWrex said:
These cars have fenders for a reason. If you get your panties in a wad because a driver moved you outta the way, go find an open wheel league. 1st lap or last lap the chrome horn is acceptable, just don't lose your head and take a driver out by turning left into the right corner panel.
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IMO, 2 laps or more to go is fair game. If he's faster, he'll get back to you and take it back. More exciting than the aero crap.
 
It's a much better show when the two best cars are racing for the win on the final lap and both cars finish. That's just me though. A bump and run is fine. If an innocent bump and run turns in to one car spinning, I'm fine with that as well. When it's a last lap divebomb or someone takes another guy clean out because they're not faster and can't beat them clean, it's another thing.
 
I know better than to reply here...

door to door: beat and bang to the finish-ala craven and busch: perfect.

push'em, don't wreck'em: ala mayfield and earnhardt: it's all good.

spin'em to win by hitting the right rear corner: never been done before;): complete theft.

jmo.
 
Rubbin' is racin'. However, passing is not racing. Blocking is CERTAINLY not racing.
 
Either way works for me. If you're holding someone up and you are in the way, then it's open season on your slow ass :D
 
Blocking should be illigal, or at least get a warning & then a pass through penalty. It killed Sr. It's caused countless horrific crashes (Tony Stewart a few times) and put Denny in a neck brace. That's just the modern era. It's pretty much impossible to race defensively at 185 mph.
 
I'm all for drivers doing whatever they have to do to win, but I'm also all for retaliation if it's warranted. Have at it :D
 
If a guy bumps and runs because it is to late for retaliation, I hope his target makes him eat some concrete next week with compound interest.
 
I'm fine with it. On the last lap, I dont care if you wreck the guy to win
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If it was OK to wreck for a win it would be doneit all the time. The drivers mostly know how its done and when its done wrong there will be retaliation at some point.
 
Greg said:
If a guy bumps and runs because it is to late for retaliation, I hope his target makes him eat some concrete next week with compound interest.
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A driver that bumps a car for position knows that it's going to make the guy mad. So why give him an opportunity to retaliate?
I wouldn't want to see anyone 'eat concrete' for a harmless bump and run, no matter when it's done.
 
I liked the "boys have at it" rule. Stupid Kyle Busch ruined it by hitting Hornaday under caution in that Truck race.
 
gordonite said:
A driver that bumps a car for position knows that it's going to make the guy mad. So why give him an opportunity to retaliate?
I wouldn't want to see anyone 'eat concrete' for a harmless bump and run, no matter when it's done.
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We will just have to agree to disagree. If a man can not win fairly he should expect some payback. After all he is imposing his will on someone that he isnt able to pass cleanly, and it isnt harmless he is taking a win away. Then the guy that was punted is supposed think the deal is done when they drop the checkered? That he has to accept being angry?

No way, that just encourages the punk to keep it up. Putting him in the wall is called for he made the rules of engagement, and that bypasses waiting for the next last lap, that could take many races to materialize. And his initition of the war doesnt entitle him to make the rules.

Do it the next week and knock the underserved grin off his face.
 
Greg said:
We will just have to agree to disagree. If a man can not win fairly he should expect some payback. After all he is imposing his will on someone that he isnt able to pass cleanly, and it isnt harmless he is taking a win away. Then the guy that was punted is supposed think the deal is done when they drop the checkered? That he has to accept being angry?

No way, that just encourages the punk to keep it up. Putting him in the wall is called for he made the rules of engagement, and that bypasses waiting for the next last lap, that could take many races to materialize. And his initition of the war doesnt entitle him to make the rules.

Do it the next week and knock the underserved grin off his face.
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There are other ways to solve that though.

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Greg said:
We will just have to agree to disagree. If a man can not win fairly he should expect some payback. After all he is imposing his will on someone that he isnt able to pass cleanly, and it isnt harmless he is taking a win away.
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Yes, he should expect payback, so doing it at a point in the race that takes payback out of the equation is smart. Giving a driver an opportunity to retaliate isn't. Whether on the last lap or with 10 to go, the guy getting bumped is going to be mad, and no doubt will retaliate if at all possible.

It is harmless compared to making a driver eat concrete.

But like you said I can agree to disagree. Just my two cents.

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KevinWI said:
There are other ways to solve that though.

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That was just noise bad breath was the most powerful punch. Putting a guy out of the race makes him sufffer more.
Besides these psuedo-badasses have their team members performing secret service protection duty for them. Very few punches ever happen.
 
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