Cup RACE thread --- Darlington

StandOnIt said:
Ned Jarrett won at Darlington by 14 laps.
  • Ned Jarrett won the 1965 Southern 500 at Darlington Raceway by 14 laps.
  • Buck Baker was second, 14 laps down.
  • Darel Dieringer was third. He and fourth-place Roy Mayne were 19 laps behind.
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The hills were steeper and the miles were longer when we was young.
 
StandOnIt said:
Ned Jarrett won at Darlington by 14 laps.
  • Ned Jarrett won the 1965 Southern 500 at Darlington Raceway by 14 laps.
  • Buck Baker was second, 14 laps down.
  • Darel Dieringer was third. He and fourth-place Roy Mayne were 19 laps behind.
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Did they lead the first 243 laps? If not then that's not the answer to the question I asked.

Ned led 62 laps. 23 lead changes.

I asked if anyone LED the way Byron did...

243 laps is is 181 more laps than 62. The most anyone led in that race you mentioned was 199. Difference of 44 laps.

So again. Show me a Darlington race where someone led as many laps as Byron did..and like 5 lead changes. The first lead change being only because William had to pit.
 
Blaze said:
Did they lead the first 243 laps? If not then that's not the answer to the question I asked.

Ned led 62 laps. 23 lead changes.

I asked if anyone LED the way Byron did...

243 laps is is 181 more laps than 62. The most anyone led in that race you mentioned was 199. Difference of 44 laps.

So again. Show me a Darlington race where someone led as many laps as Byron did..and like 5 lead changes. The first lead change being only because William had to pit.
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Ned Jarrett won Darlington by 14 laps is what I said...show me anybody else that won Darlington that way. Earhhardt Sr. has the most laps led at Darlington with 2,648 laps led, show me anybody else that led that many laps..In other words there is plenty of stats out there..they don't mean a whole lot.

The broadcast also said many times that the lap leader at Darlington didn't win the race. They proved to be right.
 
Blaze said:
Where that's true... this was different. No one has ever led the way Byron did in that race..
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They hit the setup. We can dispute the effects of aero on passing but for long stretches, no one was close enough to attempt getting around.

No one had led 392 laps at Charlotte before it was done the first time either.
 
StandOnIt said:
Ned Jarrett won Darlington by 14 laps is what I said...show me anybody else that won Darlington that way. Earhhardt Sr. has the most laps led at Darlington with 2,648 laps led, show me anybody else that led that many laps..In other words there is plenty of stats out there..they don't mean a whole lot.

The broadcast also said many times that the lap leader at Darlington didn't win the race. They proved to be right.
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So a useless reply that didn't have anything to do with what I said. Figured.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
They hit the setup. We can dispute the effects of aero on passing but for long stretches, no one was close enough to attempt getting around.

No one had led 392 laps at Charlotte before it was done the first time either.
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It loses it's luster to lead the most laps and lose the race. In fact leading the most laps doesn't mean a whole lot these days.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
They hit the setup. We can dispute the effects of aero on passing but for long stretches, no one was close enough to attempt getting around.

No one had led 392 laps at Charlotte before it was done the first time either.
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Yeah they did. Not taking that away from them. But you still can't talk about how it's not a passing Track, when this is something that just hadn't been seen before. It had nothing to do with what track it was.
 
Blaze said:
Yeah they did. Not taking that away from them. But you still can't talk about how it's not a passing Track, when this is something that just hadn't been seen before. It had nothing to do with what track it was.
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Passing happens in places besides the front. Blaney didn't seem to have much aero problem when passing.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Passing happens in places besides the front. Blaney didn't seem to have much aero problem when passing.
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The reply chain goes back to talking about passing for the lead though? The original question Chase Fan asked was

"Was there one on track pass for the lead other than Blaney at the end?"

So anything else besides that is not relevant to the question that was posed.

Then Mispeedway said how the track always been hard to pass, and that's when I said no one ever has led the way William did, again still talking about the lead.
 
Blaze said:
The reply chain goes back to talking about passing for the lead though? The original question Chase Fan asked was

"Was there one on track pass for the lead other than Blaney at the end?"

So anything else besides that is not relevant to the question that was posed.

Then Mispeedway said how the track always been hard to pass, and that's when I said no one ever has led the way William did, again still talking about the lead.
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Kinda hard to pass when Bryon is 2 to 3 seconds or more ahead of 2nd.
 
StandOnIt said:
Ned Jarrett won at Darlington by 14 laps.
  • Ned Jarrett won the 1965 Southern 500 at Darlington Raceway by 14 laps.
  • Buck Baker was second, 14 laps down.
  • Darel Dieringer was third. He and fourth-place Roy Mayne were 19 laps behind.
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I am pretty sure it was fairly common back then for the leader to win by multiple laps and it had little (if anything) to do with aero and more to do with lack of reliability on parts and tires and the fact that there were only a few really good cars capable of winning and they had everyone covered. Not like today where all these cars are pretty equal - more so than ever in this car.

LibertyU24 said:
It was a punt. Bubba was running the wall and came way down off the wall to PUNT Larson
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So Bubba knew Larson was gonna brake like that and decided to come down and punt him? Nope. Larson checked up harder than he needed to for a car getting into the wall ahead of him and Bubba did not expect it and hit him. It's really just a racing thing. People need to chill.

pjmolo said:
Somebody needs to clue him into how getting new tires during a caution helps make the car go more fast. :owquitit:
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I don't blame him for being confused. He was terrible at the beginning of the race and was close to 30th. I am sure they made the car better also but it's amazing what clean air will do.

Charlie Spencer said:
Passing happens in places besides the front. Blaney didn't seem to have much aero problem when passing.
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I agree 100% but that's the issue to me. NASCAR needs to do something so the leader is not at such an advantage. I feel like Byron's car may not have even been as good as it appeared to be.
 
OK, I am going to give you all the inside scoop on what went down at Darlington. I compiled this straight from various comments on the Blaney fan page so I know its factual.

NASCAR did not want Blaney to win this race. In two prior races NASCAR rigged his engine so it would blow up and also in two other races had drivers wreck him. Apparently Blaney is getting too much star power and is taking some of NASCAR's spotlight. So here is what went down. As soon as Blaney took the lead, they radio'd to Reddick to hit the wall, at the same time they had told Larson to pick it up and pass Bubba in the turn. Race control was already in the process of informing Bubba that he needed to take one for the team and should maintain his driving line and punt Larson to create a caution. NASCAR knew that Hamlin would then take the lead during the round of pit stops since they had informed him he could speed on pit road and they would not assess a penalty. Hamlin would then drive away from the field during the GWC as Bell and Byron would block for him. They had informed all drivers to not wreck because they network needed to wrap up coverage and get to a USFL game. NASCAR feels that giving Hamlin a win will put them in a better bargaining position in some lawsuit that apparently is going on.

I think I got most of what was reported. And just as an FYI, several posters shockingly stated they were done watching NASCAR and were leaving the fan page.
 
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Chase Fan 79 said:
So Bubba knew Larson was gonna brake like that and decided to come down and punt him? Nope. Larson checked up harder than he needed to for a car getting into the wall ahead of him and Bubba did not expect it and hit him. It's really just a racing thing. People need to chill.
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Some people are so biased that it changes what they see. Even provided with the facts that Larson jammed the brakes to check up for Reddick, still half the fanbase blames Bubba for the wreck. It’s just a stack up and Bubba did nothing malicious. I’m a big Hendrick fan and anti-Toyota, but I will always stand by facts.
 
DIDIT said:
OK, I am going to give you all the inside scoop on what went down at Darlington. I compiled this straight from various comments on the Blaney fan page so I know its factual.

NASCAR did not want Blaney to win this race. In two prior races NASCAR rigged his engine so it would blow up and also in two other races had drivers wreck him. Apparently Blaney is getting too much star power and is taking some of NASCAR's spotlight. So here is what went down. As soon as Blaney took the lead, they radio'd to Reddick to hit the wall, at the same time they had told Larson to pick it up and pass Bubba in the turn. Race control was already in the process of informing Bubba that he needed to take one for the team and should maintain his driving line and punt Larson to create a caution. NASCAR knew that Hamlin would then take the lead during the round of pit stops since they had informed him he could speed on pit road and they would not assess a penalty. Hamlin would then drive away from the field during the GWC as Bell and Byron would block for him. They had informed all drivers to not wreck because they network needed to wrap up coverage and get to a USFL game. NASCAR feels that giving Hamlin a win will put them in a better bargaining position in some lawsuit that apparently is going on.

I think I got most of what was reported. And just as an FYI, several posters shockingly stated they were done watching NASCAR and were leaving the fan page.
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Now this is the inside information I was searching for when I joined Racing-Forum's.com 8 years or so ago now.
 
I think it was pretty impossible to miss Larson unless Bubba knew how to do the Ricky Bobby flip over move. Cal who taught Ricky the move quit teaching the move years ago.
 
28car said:
the track-set up was opposite also................waiting for someone ask what is opposite about the track
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I loved sitting in he old turn 4 covered grandstand. The ricocheting sounds or echo under the metal was crazy. But you could really watch the cars rotate from old turn three into four and appreciate whoever had the best line or set up.
 
Efisher131 said:
Some people are so biased that it changes what they see. Even provided with the facts that Larson jammed the brakes to check up for Reddick, still half the fanbase blames Bubba for the wreck. It’s just a stack up and Bubba did nothing malicious. I’m a big Hendrick fan and anti-Toyota, but I will always stand by facts.
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Well said and I just don't understand how biased people can be. When it happened live I was sitting there thinking "what went down there" but made no opinion about it until I saw the onboard for both and heard the radio. Let's be real - if Bubba did anything wrong Larson would have something to say about it and he did not say anything.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
Well said and I just don't understand how biased people can be. When it happened live I was sitting there thinking "what went down there" but made no opinion about it until I saw the onboard for both and heard the radio. Let's be real - if Bubba did anything wrong Larson would have something to say about it and he did not say anything.
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Racing deal.
 
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