Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

StandOnIt said:
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Uh, Preece is 14th and 250 points back. Sure, the current format stinks but does anyone think he'd overcome that to compete for a championship in any format, including one based on total points? He's got a better chance of making up the 19 points he needs to get into the top 16 than he would catching up in a total points format.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Uh, Preece is 14th and 250 points back. Sure, the current format stinks but does anyone think he'd overcome that to compete for a championship in any format, including one based on total points? He's got a better chance of making up the 19 points he needs to get into the top 16 than he would catching up in a total points format.
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Win a race?
 
Dwayne said:
Are you suggesting a team in 34th is? But we don't know about the 17 and 23 now do we.
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Oh, heck no.

Overlooking the existence of playoffs in the first place, my biggest gripe with the current format is championship contenders are locked into the top 16, and everyone else can do no better than 17th. Stop with the points resets and just declare which drivers are eligible. If (when) SVG tanks in the first round, he'll still be in 34th. Those teams that didn't make it in will still be able to improve their standing as high as second.

I don't think the 17 or 23 would have broken the top 10 last year but at least they'd have wound up with final positions more reflective of their seasons, as would Burton.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Are you suggesting those teams would have been championship contenders under a 'total points' format?
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I would say this format cheapens the body of work for a full season that used to make an auto racing season unique. I dont buy SVG as a championship contender for a second, most likely he's going to get his doors blown off of him in the first round. Not hating on him, he was hired to win a Cup road course race, he did that and the team will reap the benefits financially of them making the playoffs. But ultimately him making the playoffs is a huge waste of time. I felt like that last year about Burton and I felt like that about McDowell before that. It's hard to take this format seriously when you watch the races each week, you know how these teams are performing up to this point and then they're trying to sell you on the 16 best performing drivers make the field. No. Not even close. Someone that performed, brought the car home each week and is somewhat fast while NOT winning a race is more believable as a playoff driver than Harrison Burton. But go back to a full season points system, this non sense circus each year when we get to this point in the year would be snuffed out. No a 10th place driver in any format is not a championship contender, but at least his body of work for the full season up that point is rewarded with his points position. I think that has more integrity than Jeff Burton screaming at me about a driver ive watched all season finish 25th every race, somehow win a race and then he's trumpeted as a "Playoff Driver", well yeah in this system correct. Great... but hes not lasting the first 3 weeks of the playoffs. So ultimately what was the point of it all?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Oh, heck no.

Overlooking the existence of playoffs in the first place, my biggest gripe with the current format is championship contenders are locked into the top 16, and everyone else can do no better than 17th. Stop with the points resets and just declare which drivers are eligible. If (when) SVG tanks in the first round, he'll still be in 34th. Those teams that didn't make it in will still be able to improve their standing as high as second.

I don't think the 17 or 23 would have broken the top 10 last year but at least they'd have wound up with final positions more reflective of their seasons, as would Burton.
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Ok sorry for the confusion, and I'm not against some kind of playoff format either just fix it so a team in 34th can't get in and consistentcy is still rewarded, maybe a wild card for non winners or something like that.
 
Dwayne said:
Ok sorry for the confusion, and I'm not against some kind of playoff format either just fix it so a team in 34th can't get in and consistentcy is still rewarded, maybe a wild card for non winners or something like that.
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I think this is a fair compromise, somehow maybe doing a wild card race the first race of the playoffs and then once thats settled its business as usual.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Uh, Preece is 14th and 250 points back. Sure, the current format stinks but does anyone think he'd overcome that to compete for a championship in any format, including one based on total points? He's got a better chance of making up the 19 points he needs to get into the top 16 than he would catching up in a total points format.
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Novel idea for the stick n baller types. How about not having cut lines, rounds, tournaments??, win and you are in,(wild card) nonsense and just formulate a simple points system without all of that stick n ball type stuff. Something that the average fan can follow along with. Let's get back to being different. We race cars.
 
StandOnIt said:
Novel idea for the stick n baller types. How about not having cut lines, rounds, tournaments??, win and you are in,(wild card) nonsense and just formulate a simple points system without all of that stick n ball type stuff. Something that the average fan can follow along with. Let's get back to being different. We race cars.
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Preach it, Brother, but don't expect anyone in the Daytona C-suites to shout 'Halleluiah'.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Preach it, Brother, but don't expect anyone in the Daytona C-suites to shout 'Halleluiah'.
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I don't need your opinion either from the cheap seats. lol. This thread is always the same..here comes the tweakers as I call them with two or three pages trying to find a "fair" way to bundle this play off nonsense. If we do this, if we change this yeah that will make it fair..oh yeah forgot about that..lets change this..on and on.

We have already seen the OEM's and teams blatantly regulating the competition, this crap is ripe for that, champions??, coming from a backmarker level to win the jack pot on two occasions recently. The championship doesn't mean squat anymore. This ain't a racing points system, it's a made for TV stick n ball style dog and pony show that has made a joke out of the Nascar cup championship
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't need your opinion either from the cheap seats.
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You replied to me. If you don't want my opinion, don't reply to me. Damn, man, I was agreeing with you.

You won't find a post of mine anywhere here supporting the notion of playoffs but the reality is they're not going away. The best we can hope for is modifications to make the system less unbalanced.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
You replied to me. If you don't want my opinion, don't reply to me. Damn, man, I was agreeing with you.

You won't find a post of mine anywhere here supporting the notion of playoffs but the reality is they're not going away. The best we can hope for is modifications to make the system less unbalanced.
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That again is your opinion. I don't share it. I predict we will have more nefarious behavior this year, and more fan outrage.
 
Revman said:
Do what it takes. I am fine with it.
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It takes an attitude of willing to overlook complete nonsense and be ok with it. I can't get there. I've overlooked a lot, but when it keeps slapping ya in the face and I was staring right at it? It's not racing, it's playing a system like a game show. Don't pass so in so, we need a point to make the cut line, back off, don't pass, block. Eh, I'm calling B.S. on this mess. Logano was out, now he is in...oh look he's champion...what did he say> That's the system.
 
StandOnIt said:
It takes an attitude of willing to overlook complete nonsense and be ok with it. I can't get there. I've overlooked a lot, but when it keeps slapping ya in the face and I was staring right at it? It's not racing, it's playing a system like a game show. Don't pass so in so, we need a point to make the cut line, back off, don't pass, block. Eh, I'm calling B.S. on this mess. Logano was out, now he is in...oh look he's champion...what did he say> That's the system.
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I hear you, and the weaknesses of the system cannot be argued. I was out of my mind pissed with the baseball wild card crap....and then decided to let it go.....and now baseball is fun again. Who gives a **** really? We all know who the best drivers are.....for the most part they all have control over their shot at it. Even ole Okie Bell....Chevy were a bunch of asses last year, but if he doesn't have the worst race of his year, he's in the four.....all of that was in his control. No system is going to be perfect.....lots of bitching just like with the Next Gen because many are certain NASCAR listens.....and they probably shouldn't.
 
StandOnIt said:
That again is your opinion. I don't share it. I predict we will have more nefarious behavior this year, and more fan outrage.
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I sit with 45K non-outraged fans in Phoenix every year. It's a hell of a good time....until we move everything back to Homestead because of fan outrage. NASCAR chases its ass.
 
StandOnIt said:
We have already seen the OEM's and teams blatantly regulating the competition
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Just say, "Chevy." Che-vy. Chevy. Once again.....Che-vy. That's one manufacturer, and don't bring the Bubba thing to this table. Fire with fire baby.
 
Revman said:
I sit with 45K non-outraged fans in Phoenix every year. It's a hell of a good time....until we move everything back to Homestead because of fan outrage. NASCAR chases its ass.
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This wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have the winner take all B.S.. In other series I follow, the Championship driver sometimes has a lead and is untouchable for the final race. People don't stop watching or coming because that is so. Racing fans don't need that B.S.. It doesn't affect them like the stick n ball stuff. Racing is a completely different format. This nonsense has been forced on the Nascar series fans.
 
StandOnIt said:
This wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have the winner take all B.S.. In other series I follow, the Championship driver sometimes has a lead and is untouchable for the final race. People don't stop watching or coming because that is so. Racing fans don't need that B.S.. It doesn't affect them like the stick n ball stuff. Racing is a completely different format. This nonsense has been forced on the Nascar series fans.
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Yeah, I get where you are coming from, but the atmosphere at the Championship event is big time. It really is. Having said all of that, I will be at Phoenix until the fall regardless of where it is positioned in the Championship....because there is a race, and I like racing. Wish there was a way to get the best of all worlds.
 
Revman said:
Yeah, I get where you are coming from, but the atmosphere at the Championship event is big time. It really is. Having said all of that, I will be at Phoenix until the fall regardless of where it is positioned in the Championship....because there is a race, and I like racing. Wish there was a way to get the best of all worlds.
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Personally if you have two or three drivers close in points in a simple points system instead of the levels and cut line nonsense, the drama would be spread out all over the final races at the various tracks instead of just one final track. People have gone to sleep because this has gone on for so long. Now a contest in a contest? WTF is that?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Uh, Preece is 14th and 250 points back. Sure, the current format stinks but does anyone think he'd overcome that to compete for a championship in any format, including one based on total points? He's got a better chance of making up the 19 points he needs to get into the top 16 than he would catching up in a total points format.
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As a Preece fan that is one benefit of this format- it certainly gives a couple random mid-pack runners to make the Round of 8, further than they would ever get with a full season championship.



Here's my thinking- the fans and the top teams are really starting to turn on "win and you're in". But for the bottom 2/3 of the teams in the garage, "win and you're in" is a huge deal for getting sponsors to these less competitive teams. SVG is running in Cup so he can finish P20 on ovals and win road courses just for the playoff berth. I think "win and you're in" is too important of an aspect for a majority of teams and sponsors in the garage and getting rid of it would be unpopular with the non-powerhouse teams. I am cautiously optimistic we get a 3 race final round. That feels like an appropriate baby step in the right direction that would appease many people towards making the championship a bit more deserving.

Of course I'd love it if Jim France called a press conference this week and said "Gee this playoff thing just isn't working, we're going back to a full-season points championship", but I think Greg Biffle winning at Pocono riding a pink tricycle this weekend is more likely than that.
 
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The win and you're in is the problem, in my opinion. Having a guy 30th in points make the playoffs is nonsense.

They should keep everything else intact.

The idea behind the win and you're in format was to "make the races more competitive". I think that mentality is way too flawed. All the drivers go into a race with the goal of winning it, and adding a gimmick won't do anything differently.
 
JJ_14 said:
The win and you're in is the problem, in my opinion. Having a guy 30th in points make the playoffs is nonsense.

They should keep everything else intact.

The idea behind the win and you're in format was to "make the races more competitive". I think that mentality is way too flawed. All the drivers go into a race with the goal of winning it, and adding a gimmick won't do anything differently.
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I'd say anybody outside of the top 10 in points is just a Championship field filler ;)
 
I still remember when Reddit told me that SVG would be a front runner competing for championships.

If you think the championship is a meaningless joke then you have plenty of other options for spending your Sunday afternoons.
 
Yep so why all of the fake bravado. Spending half of the race watching backmarkers with points flipping "cut line"graphics, gerbil Jeff in full song with gerbil Steve injecting words sideways in the conversation when any fan with half a brain could care less.
 
Spotter22 said:
We already know F1 has larger TV audiences outside of the USA but NASCAR is King in America.
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lol. You know its true bro, you cant show me where F1 beat NASCAR in America in the TV ratings. NASCAR was on a Cable broadcast ( FS1) and F1 was on ABC and we still beat those boring race driving snobs hahahahahahaha

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NASCAR and F1 went head-to-head and the TV ratings are in

Going head-to-head with the Formula 1 Miami Grand Prix, NASCAR drew the higher television audience on Fox Sports 1 with
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