Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

StandOnIt said:
10 years with this version except for a year I believe, attendance has been slipping downward. I believe they have to try something and a full 36 race season is what they had that worked before they had the brilliant idea of playoffs.
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Yeah, there was nothing else different 10 years ago, so it must be the playoff system. Got it.
 
Charlie makes an important point. Will it happen? Nascar has to do something, many of the talking heads, Pockrass, Wallace, DBC are serving up the 4 or 5 race "playoff" craptastic mess and the tweakers are going nuts with their versions all over the place.
I wouldn't be surprised, Nascar has continued to do the "let them eat cake" when fans call for changes. Keep it simple stupid is not in their vocabulary when they live in their ivory towers it seems.
So another half assed riddled with flaws points system is possible.
Another glaring example, one of many was shown last weekend that showed the fallacy of playoff drivers on the track with the whole field.
Last week it was "save your tires". What is next for Talladega?
 
DaleJrFan2003 said:
Just take the current points format, make it across all 36 races, add more points for wins, bonus points for most laps lead, and be done with it. Simple, no nonsense.
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I like this, as long as those more points for winning, is enough to have more than second place, even if second leads the most laps. Winner should always get the most points.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
NASCAR has long turned a blind eye to manufacturer jiggering at the plate tracks. No need for cover phrases, they've talked about how to help each other in the clear for decades.
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Back in the day with the full 36 it was called feuds or rivalry, it was different, it kept the fans coming back. This stuff looks, feels, and smells like cheating to me.
The obvious reason is you have a non playoff driver, out of the hunt many times deciding the fate of another driver advancing. It isn't just passing points like back in the day.
 
rd45usa said:
Trolls are gonna troll! 🤣
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Naitch said:
In this thread, a journalist who dared to disagree with the hive mind has been called a troll and had her credentials questioned.

This is getting toxic as hell.
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While I agree with you, her post quoted above is hardly reflective of an independent journalist. "Why are WE changing something to make it worse?" Who is 'we'? I thought NASCAR was making the changes. 'We' is a word used by someone who's part of an organization, not by a journalist supposedly independent of it. Indeed, that's the kind of phrasing journalists are taught to be careful of.
 
Naitch said:
In this thread, a journalist who dared to disagree with the hive mind has been called a troll and had her credentials questioned.

This is getting toxic as hell.
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Whether or not the notion is dead is a different thing. I mean, which hive mind are we talking about? Unless you're agreeing with her that she's actually part of NASCAR, which makes her less of a journalist and more of a marketing specialist or propagandist.
 
About the only argument I see from the playoff lovers is the "you are going to be sorry if at the last race the series leader only has to start the race in order to win the championship". Well Herbie and Herbiettes, watching the "playoffs". It doesn't compare to fans who know Logano was an 11th place car and after watching every race this year, the year before that with Blaney wasn't much better. They get the title, the trophy and the money for winning the lottery. That's sorry, a sorry way to award a champion.
 
Naitch said:
In this thread, a journalist who dared to disagree with the hive mind has been called a troll and had her credentials questioned.

This is getting toxic as hell.
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Tbh though, having the playoffs makes her job easier. Why look for the story to talk about, when your story is the playoffs. If they lose that, then stories to cover don't come as easy.
 
All you have to do is click on her name from here, scroll down to where she said what she said click that and read the comments. People aren't buying the manufactured drama, it's a bridge too far.
 
virtualbalboa said:

Journalistic objectivity - Wikipedia

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Whether or not the notion is dead is a different thing. I mean, which hive mind are we talking about? Unless you're agreeing with her that she's actually part of NASCAR, which makes her less of a journalist and more of a marketing specialist or propagandist.
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The hive mind is this toxic fan base that lashes out at anyone who disagrees with them.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
While I agree with you, her post quoted above is hardly reflective of an independent journalist. "Why are WE changing something to make it worse?" Who is 'we'? I thought NASCAR was making the changes. 'We' is a word used by someone who's part of an organization, not by a journalist supposedly independent of it. Indeed, that's the kind of phrasing journalists are taught to be careful of.
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I think she was using the royal “we,” not the term in the literal sense. I don’t think Danielle thinks that being married to Robby Benton makes her a decision maker.

She has a journalism degree from UNC Charlotte and experience in the field. You can attack the idea without attacking the person.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
While I agree with you, her post quoted above is hardly reflective of an independent journalist. "Why are WE changing something to make it worse?" Who is 'we'? I thought NASCAR was making the changes. 'We' is a word used by someone who's part of an organization, not by a journalist supposedly independent of it. Indeed, that's the kind of phrasing journalists are taught to be careful of.
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It's was called the persuasive argument in my old speech class. The "WE" is Trotta, a biased influencer, trying to throw the whole weight of her Amazon announcing job plus whomever is a fan of the playoff system (fellow hive minds) into believing that us Nascar fans will lose something important.

At least what she has said on X and the comments that have been made weren't rigged by an algorithm it looks like.
 
Naitch said:
The hive mind is this toxic fan base that lashes out at anyone who disagrees with them.
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Why is she disagreeing in the first place? Do you think it's the job of journalists to try and convince people of their personal positions or relate information? This isn't something like "Danielle Trotta believes genocide is bad". This is literally Danielle Trotta telling fans on social media that their opinion about the thing she is covering is wrong and it is leading NASCAR the wrong way.
 
virtualbalboa said:
Why is she disagreeing in the first place? Do you think it's the job of journalists to try and convince people of their personal positions or relate information? This isn't something like "Danielle Trotta believes genocide is bad". This is literally Danielle Trotta telling fans on social media that their opinion about the thing she is covering is wrong and it is leading NASCAR the wrong way.
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24-hour sports networks and their opinionated talking heads have done their best to kill the expectation that sports can be covered by unbiased journalistic standards. Social media hasn't helped.
 
virtualbalboa said:
Why is she disagreeing in the first place? Do you think it's the job of journalists to try and convince people of their personal positions or relate information? This isn't something like "Danielle Trotta believes genocide is bad". This is literally Danielle Trotta telling fans on social media that their opinion about the thing she is covering is wrong and it is leading NASCAR the wrong way.
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Yeah, she’s not practicing good journalistic behavior. I don’t deny that.

But calling her a troll and “influencer” is missing the point. There’s plenty to critique in her statement without attacking her personally.
 
Naitch said:
Yeah, she’s not practicing good journalistic behavior. I don’t deny that.

But calling her a troll and “influencer” is missing the point. There’s plenty to critique in her statement without attacking her personally.
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First of all, let me be plain, I never called Trotta a Troll. But anybody in the public eye, this specifically is Trotta trying to influence fans to her opinion is an influencer. An unbiased journalist would be saying statements like a group of fans are for the playoffs, others are against it and have statements from both sides. That is called a comparison contrast argument. No buddy, nothing like that was close to what Trotta was saying.
 
rd45usa said:
I did call her a troll, and I do apologize for that, but for me to call her a journalist, that will never happen.
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As long as the subject of trolls are in the forefront, I would say Kenny Wallace can be a troll. He's not full time like some are but he is an influencer, loves to be a self appointed one and he is all in on the playoffs. Of course if the 36 came about he would be the first to tell you he knew it all along. Wallace at least has some first hand experience about the ins and outs of Nascar which is more then most of them have going for them.
 
Bob Pockrass said recently he thinks there will be playoffs next year. Something like a 4 or 5 race thing. He could know something or it could be just his opinion.
That should work pretty well to make everybody mad lol.
 
StandOnIt said:
As long as the subject of trolls are in the forefront, I would say Kenny Wallace can be a troll. He's not full time like some are but he is an influencer, loves to be a self appointed one and he is all in on the playoffs.
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Herman doesn't claim to be a journalist.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Herman doesn't claim to be a journalist.
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Nope he's an influencer, did a few pre race Nascar shows this year, kinda figure he wants to do more so I wasn't surprised he went full on for the playoffs. I asked Wallace why doesn't he try to get playoffs started in the dirt series he races in...Haven't heard back.
 
Jimbo Slice said:
Can we all agree at least that NASCAR should eliminate stage breaks? Do something for the fans again, would ya please!?!?!
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I agree but there are some here that like not having commercials interrupt green flag racing. Others like repacking the fields for a restart.

Also, while I would like to see stage breaks eliminated, I hold no hope. I consider that even less likely than a total points championship.
 
Considering that over a third of the racing couldn't be seen because commercials were being shown before stage racing, I'll give it a har de har har on that ever happening.
Now they blast us will full screen commercials during the stage breaks and during the race we are flooded with find the smallest box, that is where the race is being shown. They have to get their billion a year they paid for.
The full 36 is much closer to reality. The greedy TV billionaires have said they don't care about the playoffs publicly, privately who knows, but anyway Nascar will take the heat either way if they come up with another version of clown show.
 
StandOnIt said:
Nope he's an influencer, did a few pre race Nascar shows this year, kinda figure he wants to do more so I wasn't surprised he went full on for the playoffs. I asked Wallace why doesn't he try to get playoffs started in the dirt series he races in...Haven't heard back.
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Doesn't an influencer have to influence someone? You? We have to talk.
 
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