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The lack of a current competitor and the failure of other related series/sanctioning bodies is not evidence that NASCAR isn't guilty of anticompetitive behavior! That's actually the expected outcome that leads to a lawsuit such as this!

I just threw that out there as an example. It doesn't matter what NASCAR offered to pay them either. This whole "NASCAR and ARCA were buddy buddy and ARCA knew how to work within the confines NASCAR gave it" etc etc isn't a thing I don't understand. I understand it. The issue is that what is...

I looked him up didn't include him since I didn't think it was that interesting. He works for Kaulig now. Dad was a general contractor who raced late models on the weekend. Apparently the family business was lucrative enough that his mom was able to be his press agent starting when he was still...

I'm not saying that any of the above is wrong or that it couldn't be true. Do I think the Dagers called up the France family and said "You want this thing? You get checks from the occasional sport truck race from it too"? Yeah. Probably. Does that really matter in the context of this discussion...

No point in repeating the statements from both. You've heard 'em both a million times. Can't go pretending that Evernham wasn't bonking Erin Crocker these days when I see her working the studio for NASCAR or Dirtvision. Mayfield has also, uhh, made choices in the subsequent years.

I'm honestly surprised they haven't invested in someone to tow the line for a site like SBNation or Bleacher Report. That's what UFC did.

I can't believe anyone would think that SXM90 is something other than NASCAR's own bullhorn at this point.

I'm not going to say why NASCAR chose to do things in any specific way, but I would guess that having a puppet buyer would have made it tougher to merge with the K&N Series. At the time I doubt they would care enough about any implications of buying up ARCA because "Who's gonna sue us?"

I am very aware as to what NASCAR's press release said. Press releases are not something that is going to be requested as evidence in discovery. Literally no one is going to care about this. What they (as in the courts) would care about would be "Why did ARCA need saving in the first place?"...

I'll spell it out for you then: ARCA being a crappy professional stock car series doesn't mean it wasn't a professional stock car series in the eyes of the law. If they went bankrupt, anyone could have bought the assets (and none/few of the debts because Chapter 11) and run it as a competitor to...

ARCA was a professional racing series (I know, I'm holding back laughter too) using stock cars which was not NASCAR and while it always had good relations with NASCAR (unlike USAC), it wasn't NASCAR itself. Until it was. Then at that point NASCAR had effectively consolidated the entirety of...

My issue with the "NASCAR saved ARCA" claim is that it indicates there is evidence no one else would have bought ARCA's assets. I am not nearly as certain about that as some folks here are. It's also a bit amusing to me to see ARCA in the state it is as "saved". It is a Frankenstein's Monster...

Since we have a quick derailment about how former NASCAR drivers don't go broke, I figured I'd look at who those drivers are from recent years in case there's some sort of common strand: Quin Houff: Dad Zane owns and operates a large agricultural logistics (shipping cattle) company. Matt Tifft...

I don't think you can say it's a guess, actually. The lawsuit says the purchase agreement between 23XI and SHR was made on August 7. The lawsuit says the agreement between FRM and SHR was made in May 2024. Both predate NASCAR demanding the charter agreement be signed.

Would it? Then it's just "If they're mad about spending money they should spend less."

You can be over the hill (or were never good) and race in NASCARs top series as long as you have a car. Norm Benning treated NASCAR as supplemental income/a hobby when he wasn't working as a commercial pilot. There's no comparisons to stick and ball sports. IDK why we keep going down this road.

Conway raced sports cars for awhile (he was running multiple classes with SRO America in 2023). Looks like he's selling whatever the hell this is: https://phoozy.com/ Most backmarkers just go do "backmarker things" - live off their parent's wealth, work in their parent's business, sell real...

Corey Lajoie can have a long career in NASCAR and most of the money in his bank account when he retires will be from things outside of the racing seat. Like the racing seat itself.

Race car drivers these days actually have less education on average than pro athletes (on paper). It's irrelevant though because their families are wealthy and that's why they are less likely to go broke. They're not building wealth racing. They're usually spending it.