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  1. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Well, the two sides have been negotiating for two years per Childress. In any negotiation, there comes a point where the company/owner says “here is our final offer” and “here is our deadline”. NASCAR doesn’t want to continue the charters, but from their perspective, the agreement provides 7...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I think Speedbowl14 has listed many excellent points. What I continue to not understand is the ongoing reference by VB and others to how NASCAR “keeps” competitors out. PLEASE detail for me what racing series have attempted to run their cars on NASCAR tracks, or better yet, establish a new...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Please share specific evidence that NASCAR told them they’d pay twice what anyone else would. Also do you know if ARCA had any other bidders? It’s not exactly a treasure trove of $$$.
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Amazing how you judge this without any testimony or evidence presented by the defendant. If it was that much of a slam dunk the other teams would have been all over joining this litigation. The judge may very well rule that certain provisions of NASCAR policy violate antitrust law. But the close...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Even though I know NASCAR didn’t want to do it, permanent charters MIGHT have avoided this. However, I suspect Jordan and company were likely contemplating bigger cuts of the pie than just charters. Call it fair or call it greedy, but this is a big game hunt designed to completely restructure...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    In my opinion, the biggest threat in this case is the new TV rights deal. What happens if this lawsuit forces a radical restructuring, or sell off of tracks or defines new ownership elements? That my friends could be called “breach of contract” and kill the new golden goose. Seriously, think a...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Preach Larry Mac: "We've got an organization that's been here not even four years that all of a sudden is saying 'we gotta change the way NASCAR's run'. I'm all about change. Change is what makes you better. But you know what? When I see Richard Childress, Jake Roush, Rick Hendrick, and Joe...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Whatever this suit is or isn’t, understand that Kessler is going to frame this in the best possible light for his clients, and villainize NASCAR as part of that. How much is egregious or unlawful will be decided in the courts or via settlement. BUT, make no mistake…these two teams went nuclear...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I believe this lawsuit was the objective of Jordan, Hambone and some others all along. They wanted all the teams to refuse to sign and join the suit. When they and Jenkins were left standing alone, they had to make a decision. Obviously they won’t be signing the agreement. This is a huge...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    From the CNBC website article: “23XI Racing and Front Row Motorsports said they will seek discovery from both NASCAR and France, and will seek damages for the anticompetitive terms they said they have been subject to under the 2016 charter agreement. The teams are being represented by one of...
  11. Conover

    Talladega #2 Pre-Race Thread

    Hey Rev, you won’t find me beating up on Yotas even if I don’t pull for them. Love your passion, but despise Hambone, so I’d like to see him blow up early. But this track is wild and ALWAYS unpredictable. Wish I was gonna be there in person..have never attended ‘Dega.
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    Johali's Rate the Cup race --- Kansas

    9 for me, and not just for Ross’ win!
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    Cup RACE thread --- Kansas

    Your son gets it! Ross ran a hell of a race, out dueled Byron and others. Chastain isn’t trying to be Dale,,,he races well and tough because he’s a tough guy and a really good wheelman.
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    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Kansas

    I despise Hambone…this is the one time I hope for him to do well (when I pick his whiny butt). He was miserable but at least got me a top 10. Now, hope he craps out every remaining race. Great win by my watermelon man!
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    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Kansas

    I guess Zane Smith will win today with the “KISS OF MOLO 😘!”
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    Johali's Rate the Cup race --- Bristol

    6 - moments and tough track but need improved package here
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Dale Jr’s comments about this were the most clear I’ve heard. To paraphrase; charters have turned into a financial asset but they were never intended to become that. Charters were created to guarantee participating teams 36 races they would appear in. That allowed them to serve up guarantees to...
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    Cup RACE thread --- Bristol

    My wife, and apparently thousands of other mothers around the nation, were NOT happy seeing little Larson hanging onto the side of a moving race car. Apparently many are posting on sites asking NASCAR to stop allowing it. From this old farm boy, it didn’t phase me, but I can see how something...
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    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Watkins Glen

    Yep, my curse picking disease is back. Use a quality driver like Byron….he gets rammed into the wall. Regardless, there is no stopping @pjmolo this year. If I was him, I’d use that ESP to get this week’s lottery numbers. Win that, he won’t even be around for the rest of the season! Then the rest...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Knew this would be a mess. NASCAR decided it was time to be done, put the final offer on the table. To me the question now is, what comes next for Hambone/MJ and Front Row? If they had further conversations and decided to sign, will NASCAR change anything? I say no. You can’t undermine the other...
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