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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Come on - we have all rewatched some of his stuff on YouTube. Great for NASCAR ratings. If I was more talented in video editing I'd create one of those old style 80's commercials trying to sell a musical collection where the titles of the songs scroll up the screen and have it be all about...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    NASCAR needs another Tony Stewart type personality.
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Well the good news is NASCAR is considering changes at least.
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Must have been fun for you two when they got into it at Fontana. Still one of my favorite all time interviews there with Tony. "I'm gonna bust his ass." "Thank-you Tony." Thank-YOU." Gold.
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I can't feel sorry for Larson for any bad luck he had because he had so many other examples of issues of his own making that cost him points. Dude is wheelman for sure but he needs to learn to sometimes realize it's not there and take his foot off the gas and settle for top 5-10 instead of...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    For me at least, while I openly admit I don't like Joey I have no issue with him winning. I don't see Byron or Reddick as champions yet and I figured if Blaney won everyone would freak out and be like "here's the next big thing" when in all reality winning a title in this format really does not...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    My vote goes to Bell. For me, he is the driver that put the most complete season together as far as getting wins and being consistent all year. I would not argue that hard against Larson either but I really feel like they fell off after Sonoma and despite a few more wins and dominant runs...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Are you saying you would go back to season long points with no playoffs? I want season long points and playoffs but that's just me.
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I don't think anyone is disputing that Joey won and won fair and that he is a great driver. What people are questioning is does this format really produce a result where people can look and go = "Yes - That guy was the best this year." There have been controversial winners before like Terry...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I find it interesting that you are playing the "if" card because that my friend is a giant double-edged sword. "If" Bowman had not been DQ'd this entire conversation is not happening because Joey does not even make the round of 8. "If" he does not get a lucky fuel mileage win at Vegas he...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Dude - Congrats and I am glad you enjoy it but this was way worse than KB. Injuries are out of the team's control so I was glad that it did not ruin his season. Chase showed last season that there is still a path to make it on points when you miss a ton of races as he missed 7 and still would...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Not trying to say I told you so but this is what I was trying to point out all year. These flat mile tracks (Phoenix and Loudon) are a place the Toyotas and Fords have found something the Chevys have not. I was at Loudon in-person and it was visible how much slower the Chevys were and you...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I don't like Joey but I have no issue with him winning. I hope we look back and see he exposed everything wrong with this system. This is not really rocket science to me. If NASCAR really wants to make it all about winning then just say whoever gets the most wins is the champ and then in the...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I don't think you are wrong and again - I give a ton of credit to Logano and Team Penske for what they figured out to win 3 titles in a row. I think getting an idea of what the old points may have looked like give good food for thought though. It all comes down to what fans want. The question...
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I think you're right that it's irrelevant as far as the result this year but man does it spell out everything wring with this format for me. Our champ had an average finish of 17.1? What a title battle it would have been between Bell and Elliott.
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    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Well...my final thoughts on 2024. Most importantly the racing was better overall. I think NASCAR has done a good job of starting to understand that they need a softer tire and that's huge. I think back to the entirety of the season and the only "boring" races I remember were both Phoenix...
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    Phoenix Raceway Championship Pre-Race Thread

    IDK - This weekend just feels lackluster to me. Other than maybe Blaney I just can't see the season any of these guys had being worthy of a title. I know Byron's numbers are similar but dude has not done much since early April. Even Blaney though, while he had a good year may be overhyped at...
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    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I know it was time for Bell to have a cup ride but always felt that Kenseth got the short end of the stick and should have been able to race longer in that seat.
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    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I guess as an HMS guy I need to pull for Byron but I cringe to see all the "look how much better he is than Chase" crap if he wins a title. Regardless of what happens Sunday, Willie B is a great driver but let's be real - His season started out amazing and really tapered off and has been not...
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    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I am optimistic that Chase will turn out better than Matt stats-wise. Even with only winning one race over the past 2 seasons, Chase's winning percentage still sits slightly higher than Matt's as Chase is 5.9% and Matt's is just a tick under 5.6%. Granted Kenseth has a much larger sample size...
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