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    Cup RACE thread --- Gateway 2024

    Good race overall - Loved the different strategies and it seemed like cars could pass pretty well. Always surprised to see a guy like Cindric win but credit to him for driving a good race and having some luck too. That's why I'd rather be lucky than good.
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    That's your opinion. There are no rules on what people focus on and what they don't. If this was an accurate statement then every form of auto racing would have the same following and make the same money and have the same popularity....let me research and see if that's the...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    Oh and there we go again with the immeasurable "natural talent" argument. Even if you're right (which I am not conceding) JJ did more with the talent he has than Larson has done and regardless of this "natural talent" argument that oh so many Larson fans love to fall back on, no one EVER has...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    One of the first signs of not having no argument is to go on the offensive and try to attack another issue but I'll bite. Once upon a time there was another guy with the last name Elliott that did not want to be involved in any of that stuff either and you'd be hard pressed to find a guy that...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    I just don't see it. I think a NASCAR driver running the double is more likely to have NASCAR fans become interested in the Indy 500 but I don't see Indy fans going "hey that NASCAR guy did OK here...maybe we should give NASCAR a try." I also see plenty on X and other places where people...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    It's not terribly complicated. You don't want to get it because you are in 100% support of Larson and I respect that. It is possible to still support him and understand that what he did was not great for the sport.
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    Dude - You still don't get it. Just agree to disagree and move on. Obviously no one would be checking with me and nothing I say even implies that. I am saying that drivers have a responsibility to all those who invest into the sport because that is where their livelihood comes from. When you...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    So he has no responsibility to the sport? What about all the arguments that drivers should not put themselves at risk of getting hurt because of the commitment to the fans and sponsors? Dude - If you agree with what he did that's cool but to say it's not his job is puzzling to me. NASACAR IS...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    I never worry about the wave bro. Will always call it how I see it and say why. If people disagree I am genuinely interested to hear their POV but all I am seeing is that his fans will defend him with no reason to other than they like him and any suggestion that what he did was wrong for...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    You are misinterpreting the statement "not that great." saying not that great means he did OK but was the result really worth all this? He's your driver and if you support what he did I respect that....But if it was Chase I'd be PISSED. I'd get over it eventually out of loyalty but I would...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    He made the right call to you and I totally respect that but he did bail. He made it clear his priority was the 500. If the 600 was his priority then he would have left Indy under the delay. I am glad if you enjoyed watching him in the 500 but you have to understand that others are pissed and...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    But I am not making anything up - Just saying how I feel and the way he comes across to me and pointing out that regardless of the respect I have for his abilities it's just again not a good look for the sport. Also - if you read other stuff out there, there's plenty of people - Larson fans...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    See that's what annoys me about Larson right there. If you want to run dirt and can supposedly make more money for your time then go do it. He just rubs me the wrong way and he did not do that great at Indy but no one's taking about that. He causes all this controversy by bailing on the 600...
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    LOL. I am all for the waiver if it is because of injury or some extreme circumstance. And to be clear - since everyone thinks I hate Larson - I hope he gets the waiver if that has not been decided yet but I do understand the argument against it.
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    Cup RACE thread --- 600

    How is this bad for NASCAR? NASCAR did just fine before Kyle Larson and will do just fine after him. There is no driver that important to NASCAR including Chase. The sport has seen greats come and go and continued to move on. As for the whole Larson thing - I am very mixed. I always think...
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    Cup RACE thread --- Open and All-Star

    Just my opinion. I really have always thought of Kyle as the most talented stock car driver I ever saw. I think drivers like Larson and Tony Stewart are more talented at driving a wider variety of stuff but KB is the best to be at stock cars. If he could have gotten out of his own way...
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    Cup RACE thread --- Open and All-Star

    I will be the first to admit he has far exceeded my expectations and shown far more maturity than I thought possible and does have potential. But....love him or hate him KB might be the best pure stock car driver at least of the past generation or so. I know some will disagree because he is...
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    Cup RACE thread --- Open and All-Star

    Well....Remainder of life. LOL
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    Cup RACE thread --- Open and All-Star

    Did Kyle say "I suck just as bad as you?" He just can't get used to being in equipment that will not give him a chance to win every weel or close to it. Can't say I blame him. Ty Gibbs has done well but a Kyle B he will never be. I can't remember all the circumstances that led to it but...
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    Cup RACE thread --- Open and All-Star

    The feat NASCAR pilled off is quite amazing honestly...Last year this race was ruined by having too much tire fall off and this year it was ruined by not enough tire fall off. The most amazing thing though was to have all that side by side racing which was exciting until you noticed that with...
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