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Eh, that's your take. So far it isn't the courts, they looked at the contract and and said nope. :idunno:

Taking them away and not renewing them are two different things. Everybody has except these two organizations. If I was displeased with the new deal and it wasn't working out, I would set up my company to sell, put feelers out and see what it would bring.

yep, So why did you ask the question if you knew the answer lol. In other words once again, they aren't selling the charters they have out from under them.

I said it plainly that there is no proof either way because to my knowledge I don't know of anybody that had a company issued charter gifted to them and then was allowed full custody of it and it rose or fell in value because of that.

There hasn't been one word about 23 and Front row losing their charters. Nascar has said they will race with a smaller field next year, not we have charters for sale, come and get them here. :idunno:

That again is your opinion. They are Nascars to do with what they may. So far for years there is an established pattern, a history of the way they do business. They want to keep it that way. They aren't a model of stick and ball.

Young Kaylee seems a bit twisted up about the fight she watched lol.

True maybe, but the way things are now I believe the otherlings are given orders to race the opposing brands as hard as possible but don't get caught doing it. So out of the way and in the way gets pretty blurry in some cases. The whole playoff system as Andy says is ripe for bobdonagins.

That's your opinion. Again comparing stick and ball to Nascar seldom works. What we have heard are that charters are selling from between 20-40 million...nobody knows publicly for sure. Probably because of non disclosure which Stick and ball doesn't have or doesn't want.

I thought the way Hamlin was acting after he backed into the wall. The way Denny was grabbing his back I thought that he may have been trying for a workman's comp case. But I think when he figured out he was going to have to quit racing and that would kill the golden calf, he shut up about it...

That hasn't happened before and many transactions have happened. Years earlier I know Nascar threatened to sell them to others if a team didn't produce, but in all cases they were sold by the unproducing teams to others and to my knowledge Nascar has never taken a charter and sold it out from...

I believe they have charters they can sell now. Nobody is saying they don't.

If you are talking about Nascar's side, I don't think so. I have never heard of Nascar getting a cut on a charter sale. It could be but I have never heard it to be so and many charters have been bought and sold since the start. Remember Nascar gave that to teams free and clear for nothing, That...

As it stands right now, both teams can sell the charters they have for whatever the traffic will bear. :idunno:

Nascar isn't and hasn't set the price on what they can sell a charter for.

I think it is an attempted money grab myself and all of the is smoke off the pile.

They have that now so what is the problem? I believer they were grousing about having to buy parts from approved vendors also, and not being able to race the car anywhere but with Nascar. All of those "monopoly makers" are nonsense IMO. So what is the advantage to owning a charter?

Ok my turn. What is the advantage to owning a charter?

and deny.

Boy that was stupid. What ever gave them that idea?