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  1. Chase Fan 79

    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I find it interesting that you are playing the "if" card because that my friend is a giant double-edged sword. "If" Bowman had not been DQ'd this entire conversation is not happening because Joey does not even make the round of 8. "If" he does not get a lucky fuel mileage win at Vegas he...
  2. Chase Fan 79

    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Dude - Congrats and I am glad you enjoy it but this was way worse than KB. Injuries are out of the team's control so I was glad that it did not ruin his season. Chase showed last season that there is still a path to make it on points when you miss a ton of races as he missed 7 and still would...
  3. Chase Fan 79

    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Not trying to say I told you so but this is what I was trying to point out all year. These flat mile tracks (Phoenix and Loudon) are a place the Toyotas and Fords have found something the Chevys have not. I was at Loudon in-person and it was visible how much slower the Chevys were and you...
  4. Chase Fan 79

    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I don't like Joey but I have no issue with him winning. I hope we look back and see he exposed everything wrong with this system. This is not really rocket science to me. If NASCAR really wants to make it all about winning then just say whoever gets the most wins is the champ and then in the...
  5. Chase Fan 79

    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I don't think you are wrong and again - I give a ton of credit to Logano and Team Penske for what they figured out to win 3 titles in a row. I think getting an idea of what the old points may have looked like give good food for thought though. It all comes down to what fans want. The question...
  6. Chase Fan 79

    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    I think you're right that it's irrelevant as far as the result this year but man does it spell out everything wring with this format for me. Our champ had an average finish of 17.1? What a title battle it would have been between Bell and Elliott.
  7. Chase Fan 79

    Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

    Well...my final thoughts on 2024. Most importantly the racing was better overall. I think NASCAR has done a good job of starting to understand that they need a softer tire and that's huge. I think back to the entirety of the season and the only "boring" races I remember were both Phoenix...
  8. Chase Fan 79

    Phoenix Raceway Championship Pre-Race Thread

    IDK - This weekend just feels lackluster to me. Other than maybe Blaney I just can't see the season any of these guys had being worthy of a title. I know Byron's numbers are similar but dude has not done much since early April. Even Blaney though, while he had a good year may be overhyped at...
  9. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I know it was time for Bell to have a cup ride but always felt that Kenseth got the short end of the stick and should have been able to race longer in that seat.
  10. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I guess as an HMS guy I need to pull for Byron but I cringe to see all the "look how much better he is than Chase" crap if he wins a title. Regardless of what happens Sunday, Willie B is a great driver but let's be real - His season started out amazing and really tapered off and has been not...
  11. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I am optimistic that Chase will turn out better than Matt stats-wise. Even with only winning one race over the past 2 seasons, Chase's winning percentage still sits slightly higher than Matt's as Chase is 5.9% and Matt's is just a tick under 5.6%. Granted Kenseth has a much larger sample size...
  12. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    Just saying what I have seen in general. You are basically seeing the same thing in reverse so maybe we are both either a little bias or more sensitive to it. We are both reasonable people so I know neither of us are making it up. Since Larson came to HMS I constantly see Larson fans trying...
  13. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I'll take your word for it. LOL. You are right though - I am painting broad strokes here and nothing I say is meant to be taken as "for all."
  14. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    OK Stan - I will bite here as much as I may regret it. I have been bitching about this format for a while saying the old would be better now that the competition is so much closer and the cars so much more reliable which everyone seems to disagree with and that's fine but how would you fix...
  15. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    My only issue with Larson fans is comments like that right there. Larson has been better yes but he's been better than everyone, not just Chase and Chase is not as "distant" as people think. Considering everything that has gone wrong for him in that this new car just does not suit his style...
  16. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    That seems pessimistic. I am optimistic that Chase finally has this new car figured out and they really have been bringing speed consistently these past few weeks for the first time in a while. We will see how next year starts because momentum is everything in this sport but he seems to be on...
  17. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    See right there tough "he's the best in the biz." Larson fans say that so much and nothing deters them form that. To be clear, I am not necessarily disagreeing on that but at what point to we start to question this? He sure seems to wreck a lot of his own making for being as good as he is I...
  18. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I feel your pain. I really do. Sucks when your guy comes so close. When Chase took the lead I was sitting there thinking about how amazing it would be after not being able to win enough races/stages all year to pull a win there and race for a title. He needed to get better at this car though...
  19. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    Wasn't Bowman also? I think he would have had to basically stop and then he would not have been able to get down because the train would be going by.
  20. Chase Fan 79

    Cup RACE thread: Martinsville

    I don't think that's ever really been question that he was really good. It's all about putting it all together at the right time and he is showing he has the ability to do that. I see he and Chase as very similar in their approach and talent in that they may not win as many races as a Larson...
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