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Well…maybe nothing like any other track, certainly not compared to a road course, but I guarantee you any “common dude” put in a pack at 200MPH will crap their pants and wreck within 1 lap.

Hey VB, we’re both shaving at a lot of straws here. I tried to use a different example to help illustrate my point. But you assumed the neighbor bore all the expense of the tractor. I didn’t say he did. The owner very well could have had that serviced and provided gas. I know a retired person...

Because, if the plantiff’s are ultimately directed by the court to suddenly OWN the charters they were never granted as property, NASCAR should be compensated for surrendering that to the teams. It is sort of the same concept for corporations as the “made whole doctrine”. That is my concept; I...

They never GAVE THEM AWAY as PROPERTY…the main element you either avoid or still don’t understand. It was never guaranteed, but it was administered by NASCAR, as were any transfers to a different team. Those transfers did not require payment to NASCAR. But teams made their own transaction with...

But they don’t have to use a charter system to field racing. The teams could choose to not enter the events but NASCAR provides a significant value to those participating/qualifying. You could also say teams are irrelevant without NASCAR. Neither statement is really relevant to the definition of...

Value in a business is not just about physical structures, even though that is the use of my analogy. Value includes market position, goodwill, etc. The fact that no team competes for the maximum participation payment value that chartered teams do (by design) creates value. NASCAR should not...

So you answer me..why should charters so valuable because they are granted by NASCAR without the teams paying NASCAR a fee, ESSENTIALLY A RENTAL, be gifted to the team forever with no compensation? Imagine you own an apartment building, and decide to provide rental units to your employees as a...

Still love NASCAR, wife and I watch every race either live or via cloud recording. Is it as good as other years/eras? Highly subjective question, as every fan will answer based on their own history, experiences, ideas. Here are mine for the sake of the chat: > Today’s version is among the most...

I think what Stand On It and I are trying to explain is that the plantiff’s are seeking to establish parameters for their ability to exercise these clauses, which can undermine NASCAR as an organization. It doesn’t mean there are cabals or forces already organizaed to do this. It does mean the...

I have no idea, but market value is typically estimated based on most recent sales. For this purpose it could also include past sales over a select period to establish a blended average. My thought is no particular charter is worth more than another, as there is no added value associated from a...

My bottom line is this: if all the teams want is to own their Charters, and the courts say NASCAR must allow that to happen, then teams should be prepared to PAY UP. No matter what the courts determine, one element is absolutely without dispute. The charters were NEVER represented, claimed or...

The ABILITY or POWER to run in any racing series outside of NASCAR using the same or extremely similar equipment is in and of itself, a HUGE leverage factor for teams. Don’t like the new or current terms/money/decisions of NASCAR? Threaten to take your cars and drivers elsewhere, for a few races...

No you echo legit concerns IMO, same things I’ve been trying to express along with SOI, but others don’t see it or don’t want to game out the consequences of where this suit could take the sport.

So, following your logic, this sets up team owners able to gain significant power, even to enhance and enlarge that power based upon their own wealth and positioning within the sport. Continuing that “new deserved reality”, we would then see the evolution of SUPERTEAMS that dominate competition...

Wow…I never thought I’d see posters here eagerly standing by the gate, rooting for the gutting of an organization that brings us the racing we love so much. I get all the reasons why…these many pages are full of both sides (plenty of mine also). But it’s sort of like rooting for people to set...

Who knows how any judge will rule on this, but, IF NASCAR wins, they SHOULD get reimbursed for overpayment. Thats because in this scenario, the court FORCED the organization to allow plaintiffs to gain charter dollars when they never signed a charter agreement.

But it is part of a defense to demonstrate that they do not create BARRIERS to competitive entry. It’s one facet of monopoly, but not the only one. The real focus is on exclusionary conduct, where NASCAR has some potential issues IMO. Is it enough to grant all that the plantiff’s are...

No matter what happens relative to this, imagine how bad it will be if those teams go forward with paying for their charter rentals, then months later, NASCAR ultimately wins the legal fight. The organization wouldn’t have to provide charter benefits since the teams and NASCAR never consummated...

Revman, I think that is my greatest fear. It’s easy for some fans to figuratively say “NASCAR is all wrong, they’ve got tons of money, so I hope those teams win this a stick it to the man!”. But the money in this sport HAS LIMITS for everyone. TV and sponsorship money is the largest chunk by...

Indeed, it could be interpreted by the courts as unenforceable, or alternately it could be accepted as a condition of the business. I lean towards that being a reach on NASCAR’S part but then I’m not an attorney or judge. My degree is in Economics, and my experience is in senior management...