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It would’ve been cooler if he was in the JRM #9. I am sure Ray would have let them use the old font for a throwback scheme.

If we have ARCA, I just want nonsensical wrecks and ARCA brakes.

Reminds me of Dirt 2 Daytona where you started racing on dirt tracks and worked your way up.

I guess we now know what happened to the guy who managed the fuel supply for Michael Waltrip Racing in the 2007 Daytona 500.

I am going to wager that I know more than Brad Keselowski about antitrust law.

This would just establish that NASCAR has engaged in monopolistic practices for a long time.

The argument that 23XI’s lawyers would make is that NASCAR used their influence to get that clause included.

This is literal monopolistic behavior. 23XI’s lawyer is dancing in his office.

You could and you would learn something in the process. You would gradually get better at driving a race car at a base level. But you haven’t taken that initial step so I think you’re a long ways off from turning a hot lap at Daytona.

What does the purse have to do with anything? I don’t care if you’re a greeter at Walmart. If you race on the weekends, you’re a race car driver and miles ahead of you and me. I have a lot of respect for anyone who goes out there and races, no matter what level. Racing is not easy. Whether you...

If you’re racing on a short track, you are by definition not a “regular ass” person. You are a race car driver.

Turning a hot lap in practice or even qualifying on a plate track mostly comes down to the quality of your car. There’s not much you can do to show your talents there. But you still have to clear the baseline level of skill to drive a race car. After all, Cody Ware is closer in talent to prime...

Derrike Cope once won a Dover race on speed. I am going to use that one example to prove that Cope was a better driver than Dale Earnhardt and Darrell Waltrip. Sometimes flukes happen. Hut Stricklin once dominated a Southern 500. You’re either being obtuse or willfully ignorant. Cletus is...

And the survival and luck element often comes because certain drivers run out of talent. If plate racing were so easily, we wouldn’t regularly see big pileups. The big pileups happen because of how difficult it is to run in close quarters at 180+ MPH.

Real racing is being the first person to complete a predetermined distance. Different types of racing takes different types of talent. I don’t like cookie cutter mile and a halves or Michigan/Fontana style tracks but I wouldn’t denigrate the talent it takes to be successful there.

I will never understand how some people can think it takes no talent to run in close quarters to other drivers at 180+ MPH. That just defies logic.

No man, this thread has convinced me that Fontana was the best track ever and that all tracks pale in comparison. Tearing down Fontana would be like if the Green Bay Packers tore down Lambeau Field.

I’m saying that I generally don’t like races at tracks larger than Darlington.

Well 1.366 miles, I forgot about Darlington.

Honestly plate tracks are the only tracks over a mile where I consistently enjoy the racing. Unrestrict the engines and it’s just a 2.5 mile Fontana and Michigan where the cars are strung out. I like my racing in close quarters.