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Thanks Revman! Completely agree.

I’ve been busy today so, just not going to spend more time trying to explain further. No worries, no blaming others who have differing opinions or ideas. We are all passionate racing fans. At the end of it all, we have NO impact on any of this. Just promise me, if any of you get picked to be...

Charlie, and Blaze, I would bet you both agree that the “charter” has a value….am I correct in that assumption? I mean it has to have a value, since to “buy” a charter has cost anywhere from 20 to 40 million $ over the last several years…correct? If we all agree on that, and the decision is...

Indeed, and you help highlight just how DIFFERENT this racing business is from all of those! It is Jordan wanting to push and legally coerce NASCAR into a similar franchised model, thereby grabbing much more wealth for the teams than they would have relative to any other racing platform. Why is...

Precisely. This was the direction Jordan was pushing the teams to go unless NASCAR radically altered the provisions of the charter contracts. The initial position of how much the teams should receive in revenue was enormously excessive compared to previous terms. NASCAR ownership positioned for...

Because NASCAR never received any compensation for the charters, as they are contract leases, not property. If the court wants the teams to own these charters forever, similar to franchises, then make the teams all pay NASCAR market value for them. Secondly, the teams would really never...

Really good summary thanks for posting. Jordan was allowed to speak by cartoon Kessler outside the courtroom. He said: "I've been a fan of the game for a long period of time,” Jordan said. “When we first started this whole process, I've always said that I want to fight for the betterment of the...

Part of the challenge in antitrust cases is to determine size/scale relative to the business, and if a business entity is using methods or means to ILLEGALLY restrict competition. A business is NOT a monopoly if they create a superior product that leads the marketplace, even one as dominant in...

I think it was from post 3508 on page 88. The really lengthy summary. There are also some X posts out there with various quotes. Also @aunty dive, please tell us what exactly NASCAR has proven to have done which violates the Sherman Act? Mere business negotiation and corporate alliances do NOT...

It is CLEAR Jordan is, once again, full of more money than sense. And CLEARLY they were positioning to either get EVERYTHING they wanted from NASCAR via pushing the teams to reject the charter agreement unless it gave away tons of equity, or they would BREAK AWAY and form their own series via an...

Yes, because they are the OWNERS of the charter contracts and have that capability. What happens if the courts go overboard in their “jurisprudence” and award these charters to become property of the teams? How can NASCAR then govern the rules, requirements and terms of these contracts when the...

If given the charters outright, as property, three major issues. 1. NASCAR would lose any control over the quality of teams who come into their racing organization. For example, they don’t want junk owners buying charters just so they can get crappy sponsors just to run dud entries that ride...

Charlie, I get the confusion, really do. But NASCAR’s charter system was never, repeat NEVER set up to become the property of the teams. They were never the equivalent of a franchise. Both at the beginning, and ever since, they were a contract vehicle, made to do precisely as described just a...

I’m sure NASCAR will sit on those team’s “expired charters” until the cases are fully resolved. With other slots available to be offered, no need to “use” the abandoned ones until later, if ever. Pockrass earlier post indicating it would cost extra to add more charters, since they can’t further...

No, I believe there would still be 4 open slots, which would likely be taken most every race by the non-chartered teams from the plantiff’s teams. But there is no reason for NASCAR to award 4 additional charters just because they could (theoretically) due to availability. More likely this is...

They should have considered these options before choosing not to sign charters, when they KNEW their drivers had contracts with these clauses (this is the RISK factor they took but want the court to spare them from). “Having your cake and eating it too” is not considered acceptable business...

Attendance has been really strong this year!

8 - was looking like a pure tire strategy race but then the Blaney & Dillon duel flashed us back to old school short track Richmond, and set the table for a good finish.

Congrats to the Austin Dillion pickers. I was initially right there with you but talked myself into choosing Hamcrap cause he “owns” Richmond. I only halfway pull for him one race a year (when I choose him) and of course he let me down (cause he knows I hate him 🤬🤭). At least he finished 10th...

NASCAR, here is my proposal for the future of the All-Star race: Hold the race at various local short tracks, changing the venue each year. The only requirements would be they must have lighting and can hold a minimum of 8,000 fans in the stands. Make it a Saturday night event. Maybe have a...