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LMAO, the point of all of the loss leaders you just named is literally that. To be a loss leader; to generate more money on the back end because you did it. NASCAR claims they wouldn't have the Amazon deal without having done the Chicago Street Race. Who gets the bulk of the media rights again...

Again, literally: Formula 1. And buying into F1 is assumed to be 600+ million. So yeah, I'm sure the NASCAR teams would like a scenario like that. Why wouldn't they?

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Literally this is the first day of the trial and the first witness, lol. This thread is gonna be like 500 pages long before this trial is over, much less the inevitable post-trial motions and whatnot.

And if you ask ChatGPT this is likely what it'll say. The problem is that times have changed and the media deals Liberty has for F1 are very different than the Bernie days. Ferrari has a license to print money because of their special 9 figure payments + portion of Constructors points fund from...

Because some teams are better than others? Also they don't all get paid the same amount. The amounts are public, you know. As is the cost cap that the teams face. Do me a favor and compare the results and qualifying speeds today to where they were 25 years ago.

Because they like to make even more money than the guaranteed sums provided via F1's media rights sharing agreement. You don't think NASCAR is the only entity that should be able to make as much money as they desire, right?

F1, in effect.

Or else bad things will happen to them all when the next media deal comes through. Weird that NASCAR is the sole entity to negotiate that and deserves the lions share but also will fail miserably if the teams don't pitch in....

The IHRA has in this form only existed one year. It's not much of an established organization. It's one guy.

Indycar drivers don't run short tracks coming up. No connection to that. They don't have the same mentality. Almost none of them have a vision of Daytona in their heads now because it is well divorced from open wheel ladder stuff and winning it says nothing about your talent.

I haven't seen anything about IHRA streaming on Flo. They stream through SpeedSport1, whatever that is. So yeah, they're on the third? Fifth? biggest racing streaming service. Big NASCAR competition that proves NASCAR isn't interested in hurting their competition. Especially since we already...

Last time I checked, Indy car's biggest star in the post split era left and went to NASCAR as did two reigning Indycar champion.

The combined purses for every single event for the IHRA late models is probably less than a single Grand National (not even Cup) event. Yeah, serious competition.

I have a LOT of questions about everything involving Darryl Cuttell. Also lol at a late model series at Salem being competitive with NASCAR.

What would Roger need to say to make you rethink your position? I'd the answer is "There's nothing he could say," then what is the value of him saying anything additional? I mean, who would it convince at this stage?

This is both the reality of Option #5 but also I have no doubt NASCAR brass thinks they are entitled to all the money and might do it. As others pointed out, Steve Phelps didn't build anything. In fact, almost every single year since Phelps came on board ratings have gone down and when we had...

If it happens, there is one party responsible and it'll be the one losing that lawsuit.

Here is where I'll disagree; if Hamlin is right, then they don't want really rich people either. Those people understand business. They want drivers to own teams because they have "passion", enough money to blow on a team for many years before going bankrupt and a GED.

He made deals and made money. Why aren't Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, Darrell Waltrip, the Stavola Bros, The Yates family, or Larry Mcclure as successful if NASCAR did it all?