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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    "What if I propose imagining Bell has a shrine to MJ? Will that justify my positions?"
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    Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

    Stick and ball sports can have playoffs or not: Depends on their structure and history. I wouldn't want an English Premier League playoff because it isn't necessary there when every team plays every other team a set number of times home/away and the fans there never demanded it. OTOH if the...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    What are they gonna appeal? The trial is going to be about whether or not they are operating in an anticompetitive fashion within the market of stock car racing. Do you think their appeal gets it turned into a trial about whether or not RTA is illegal?
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    And you think they'll get a mistrial and everything thrown out on that basis? Lol, good luck with that. I will be absolutely shocked if NASCAR doesn't settle between now and the trial date. The teams will get forever renewing charters and FRM/23XI will get paid for 2025 as charter teams and...
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    Random NASCAR Stuff to talk about.....

    He's a racer who (to my knowledge) wasn't even necessarily seeking to go to NASCAR until his family met Kevin Harvick.
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    2025 High Limit Sprint Car Racing

    Gio Scelzi dropped out of the 18 at exactly the right time, it turns out.
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    Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

    I discovered last month that AAA's championship records were/are a complete mess. Some guys working there literally just started making people champion pre-WW2 based on their own criteria and reformulated the championship schedule to fit their needs. Maybe that's how NASCAR "fixes" the chase -...
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    Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

    Wait, Kyle Larson didn't win the race this past weekend? I just assumed NASCAR had the finalists up in spots 1-3 (since Byron hit the wall). (I'm not kidding. I really had no idea Kyle Larson didn't win the Phoenix race. Who did? I seriously don't know.)
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    Does Denny Hamlin ever get in a NASCAR Cup Series car again?

    I can't wait to see how Denny manages to lose the title in the next format NASCAR picks. I mean he's lost in every other format and this will be the 5th or 6th since he got to Cup, right? He never should have been in the running in the first place so if he was champ, it would have been because...
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    Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

    Well, in that case - time to head back to the Open wheel and short track forums.
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Kauffman certainly championed it, but it was never a thing that he or the RTA could create. The only people who could create it was NASCAR themselves, and they did it for all the reasons you pointed out. What I think has changed is the loose thread you identified at the end. NASCAR has...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    The only people who could offer it are NASCAR. RTA couldn't generate their own charters.
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I went to Dave and Busters yesterday with my wife - hey, it's 1/2 price game night, OK? Anyhow, they have this: https://www.laigames.com/games/nascar-pit-stop Right by it was this: https://www.icegame.com/games/smash-n-win-nba-edition/ And this was nearby...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Here's some more fun stuff: (clearing out my incorrect take)
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    That is literally the language being used: "evergreen". Not "pseudoevergreen" or "somewhat evergreen" but "evergreen", and it existing in this format will also make it difficult for NASCAR to just break that later at will. Also extending the charters past the next rights period was not happening...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    What is the comparison point? The 2024 net income for TKO Group (who owns the UFC, WWE, and PBR) had net income of 6.4 million against total revenue of 2.8 billion. NASCAR has 330 million in debt against 1.1 billion in assets and made (net income) 600 million dollars in the last two years.
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I'm not misconstruing anything. They didn't sign the agreement and instead filed suit against NASCAR. NASCAR apparently thinks enough of their suit to now give them the charters forever (which was the sticking point) but doesn't want to give them the money they'd be owed from keeping the...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    That relates to the transaction of 23XI buying the SHR charter; the money and charter for that transaction were put in escrow depending on the result of the trial. While a settlement under the terms discussed a few days ago would put that transaction through, what it wouldn't do is lead to 23XI...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Just going back to the Athletic piece, it is two things: 1) The legal fees: also *HILARIOUS* to me that anyone thinks the defendant in a trial willing to settle it would get their legal fees reimbursed. But I don't think that's the issue. I think the issue is that NASCAR doesn't want to pay the...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    <snip> :blinks:
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