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SVG needs to be getting as much seat time as he can on ovals. Put him in Xfinity races, Truck races, and even CARS tour races. He just needs to learn ovals.

They need to sit the kid for a race or two.

If you don’t respect “podunk short tracks” then you aren’t a fan of stock car racing, you’re a NASCAR fan and there is a difference.

Which again is a weird statement on a NASCAR forum. It would be like going to a movie forum and attacking community theater or an NFL forum and attacking high school football. Comments like that are why the grassroots of our sport are dying.

Statement was about the comment, not the person. Dunking on “podunk short tracks” on a NASCAR forum is a bit of a…choice.

Josh Berry is one of the last of a dying breed, a guy who used to be the norm in NASCAR. We should reflect on why it’s rare to see guys work during the week and race at the short track on the weekend.

When Reddit was proclaiming that he would be a championship threat from the get go, I disagreed. It turns out, I was right. We’ve all seen this before. Right now, he’s a more level headed and worse version of Robby Gordon.

I would like to think that owners learned their lesson there. Joe Gibbs didn’t and let Joey Logano light the world on fire with Penske. If Marks lets Zilisch walk, someone will pick him up.

SVG is an irrelevant back marker most weeks and Zillich will be a rookie who will likely struggle for a couple of years (if guys like Byron and Gibbs are any indication). Zillich might be a short term downgrade until he finds his footing but this will work long term if Marks is patient. Ross...

Getting fired for saying something insensitive only to end up in a better situation is a time honored NASCAR tradition.

Yes, that’s why it’s one of my pet peeves. It hits my ear like nails on a chalkboard. I’ve always thought it sounded stupid as all ****.

Neither do the majority of other team sports. You’re creating a bizarre distinction.

It would seem that “team sports” would be more appropriate than a phrase that is both imprecise and doesn’t actually tell the listener what you’re trying to communicate. One of those sports uses both a stick and a ball.

There are very valid arguments against a playoff in the Cup Series without resorting to the “stick and ball” nonsense. Playoffs in other sports help control for the fact that you can’t play every team during the regular season, which is obviously not the case for Cup.

Golf and tennis are both individual sports that use sticks and balls. 🤷

I will let you know when football starts using a stick or when hockey starts using a ball.

If I were going to talk to someone about winning a championship, Mark Martin wouldn’t be in my Rolodex.

It’s a shame that some people still use terms like “stick and ball.” Sports are sports. Football and golf have little in common too. Auto racing isn’t some special snowflake.

The in season tournament is kind of like the old No Bull 5. It’s a diversion but one you can easily ignore if it isn’t your thing.

It is racing, you don’t just agree with it. The point system is an arbitrary value assigned to performance in racing. The Latford system was also flawed and some of the systems before it were even wackier than what we have now. If one system is a game show then so are all of them are.