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  1. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I don't think Nascar's arguments about the SHR charters will have enough horsepower to get the job done (i.e. win the appeal). From the beginning, 23XI and FRM were willing to sign the 2025 charter contracts if Nascar would strike the Section 10.3 release clause. Now the judge has said that...
  2. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Judge Bell... “Plaintiffs have established that they are likely to succeed on their claims that 1) NASCAR has monopoly power in the market for premier stock car racing and 2) to the extent that NASCAR’s 2025 Charter Agreement includes a release that bars teams from asserting the antitrust...
  3. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    It's been widely reported that Nascar brass assured Joe Custer and Jerry Freeze that the charter sales would be approved once the transfer window opened, after the racing season ended. And there is ample precedent, after eight years of charter sales being approved during each off-season. But...
  4. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    No, the sanctioning body / owner of the Cup Series has never disclosed revenues, expenses, or profits. ISC used to be publicly traded, and also SMI, so track ownership data is available. But never the real financial mother lode, i.e. ownership of the Cup series. We do know Nascar historically...
  5. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I think there is *a lot* left over for profit. The problem is that it is all getting sucked into a black hole that is the France family coffers in Daytona Beach, Florida. Meanwhile, the team owners (i.e. the actual racers that put on the show every week) have suffered more than 50% attrition...
  6. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I keep hearing that the charters were given for free. It comes mainly from those who support the France family in this litigation, and feel the team owners should be happy with the business model they have always had. The statement is often used to imply that the car owners arguments are...
  7. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    That was Gene's plan, but it seems that Nascar has a different plan. Each chartered car is required to enter and compete in all 38 races, so the implication seems to be that Haas will be forced to operate all three teams next year, or forfeit the charters due to breech of contract. I wonder if...
  8. LewTheShoe

    Denny Hamlin Appreciation Thread

    I feel the same way as Greg about Hamlin. Which is kinda surprising to me, because I rarely soften my stance on a driver once I observe him acting like an entitled bitch and/or a two-faced hypocrite, which are character traits that I dislike intensely. And there is no denying that Denny Hamlin...
  9. LewTheShoe

    RFK Racing News

    https://sportsnaut.com/making-sense-of-kroger-ryan-preece-rfk-racing-and-jtg/ I am a Ryan Preece doubter, for sure. But this is an interesting piece from Matt Weaver. He makes it pretty clear that Kroger's affection for Preece was very important in putting the Kroger-to-RFK move possible. And...
  10. LewTheShoe

    Silly Season 2025

    Hyak Maritime = tugboats. Tugboats push and shove and bang on freighters, tankers, and barges to get 'em moving on down the line... not unlike the pack drafting at Daytona or Talladega. Sometimes they lose control and take out a bridge or maybe block the Suez Canal. In tugboat vernacular, such...
  11. LewTheShoe

    Christopher Bell Appreciation Thread

    Oh dear, Revman, such drama. Such a moment to clutch one's pearls and swoon. I did not misquote Gluck nor spew any crap, and I have no "narrative" to promote. So I suggest you yap-yap at someone or something else. The Athletic lives behind a pay wall, so for any that wish to read what Gluck...
  12. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I know that, Charlie. There was no confusion. And my post was not intended to complain about R-F members expressing opinions about the lawsuit, despite not knowing much about the facts or the law. I just think we should refrain from claiming to know a lot more than we actually know. We should...
  13. LewTheShoe

    Christopher Bell Appreciation Thread

    Both reasons are wrong. Bell wasn't pushing the issue, and in fact was completely caught off guard by JGR's policy change. The real reason... Ty Gibbs wants to race some dirt track events. And what Ty wants, Ty gets. Also, with Briscoe joining the team next year, 75% of JGR's cup drivers want to...
  14. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Well, Aunty, we don't know jacksh*t about the facts of the case, and we don't know jacksh*t about the law, so arguing about the merits of the lawsuit seems a tall order. We haven't read the documents, which have not been released publicly. And most of us haven't studied law. So far, all we've...
  15. LewTheShoe

    If we have to have a playoff system....

    1. The "round of 16" is four races. After race #30, 8 drivers are eliminated and 8 advance. 2. The "round of 8" is six races. Points are reset and playoff points are applied as per current rules. The 8 teams have six races to race as a mini-season, and top points total wins the Bill France Cup...
  16. LewTheShoe

    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Phoenix

    A three-way finish this close needs photographic evidence to be sure who actually won. Fortunately, high speed cameras were deployed at the finish line... @Spotter22 in the 99 is the winner. @aunty dive in the 12 is runner up. @pjmolo in the 8 claims 3rd place.
  17. LewTheShoe

    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Phoenix

    Congrats to @Spotter22, and all of the top four contestants. Really good picks were required to win this year. Spotter's 13.72 average points per race is outrageous... probably a NASCAR Pick 'Em record. And a sincere thank you to @pjmolo who is undoubtedly the best and fairest commissioner...
  18. LewTheShoe

    Bobby Allison Has Passed … RIP

    Dang. Such an iconic racer. A legend in his own time, and a legend for all time. Godspeed Bobby Allison.
  19. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I guess your stock car racing ideal world is one where *all* the car owners operate like Rick Ware Racing... and Jim France and Lesa Kennedy France (plus the Bruton Smith family) keep *all* the money for themselves. That is *not* my ideal world. I know that, once a Real Racer learns how to...
  20. LewTheShoe

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    It's far from silly, IMO. It goes to the very heart of the case... are we pondering whether Nascar maintains a monopoly in professional stock car racing, or is the question whether Nascar has a monopoly in the broader industry of sports and entertainment, including motor racing, NBA teams, etc...
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