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  1. Hawaii808

    Steve Phelps is out

    NASCAR definitely needs a Mike Helton 2.0. Love him or hate him, he had a lot of respect from all sides.
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    Steve Phelps is out

    The designated fall guy. Business as usual for the France family.
  3. Hawaii808

    23XI statement on signing Charter agreement

    MJ has that in between his couch cushions
  4. Hawaii808

    so what is going to be the new points system?

    Get rid of win and you’re and rotate the final race location and I’d be happy.
  5. Hawaii808

    Plane Crash in Statesville NC

    My Brother the retired Commercial Pilot always says..."If we don't want to fly, you don't want to fly".
  6. Hawaii808

    2026 Silly Season

    Not that I have ANY expectations, but maybe a year of open wheel will have taught her something.
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    2026 Silly Season

    So is this another name to add to Ty's s*** list?
  8. Hawaii808

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    We may see new teams go through a path similar to drivers. Start in trucks, have success scale up to O'Reilly's, then more success and team up with some investors and go Cup racing. With a progression like that I think we'd see stronger new Cup entries that have a chance of running more than a...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Gotta love brevity
  10. Hawaii808

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    PR standard operating procedures are to lay low, wait a while, let people forget a bit (that Michigan football HC scandal should help), and then at a later date...say after New Years set the points & Championship rules.
  11. Hawaii808

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    MJ has always been a push all the chips to the center of the table kind of guy. Everyone isn't built that way.
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I agree, but if this helped in reaching a resolution, it's worth it. Give a little to get a lot. We probably won't hear for a while, but I wonder who's paying how much to the lawyers. My Father worked his whole adult life in labor relations. Union>Labor Consultant>Federal Mediator and he said...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    So I guess the half (or so) season of open status in 2025 will remain that way. This suggests the pay out to the teams won't be prorated to charter status numbers.
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I've held the belief from the beginning that this was a "proxy war". The letters from other teams and then a major sponsor surely show that while they weren't directly involved in the suit, they backed the suit. As they should, because any positive outcome for 23/XI & FRM would trickle down to...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    That's the "we really don't want to do it, but we are willing...for a price" price.
  16. Hawaii808

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Why Kurt Busch is trending on X/Twitter
  17. Hawaii808

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    FWIW we’ve all shown some bias in this discussion. And that’s cool, differing points of view help us update and refine our own bias.
  18. Hawaii808

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Billable hours remain undefeated.
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