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1- Kahne should be very pissed...JJ seems to think its all about him

2- If everyone is so pissed about restrictor plate racing, then have Nascar reduce the size of the engines in the series and let them have at it...you really cant tell the difference between 210 and 190 mph at these tracks...IMO

I love restrictor plate racing as I have been going to Dega since 71, love it....just tune the engines down a hundred hp....just a suggestion
 
Plates have ruined Daytona and Dega. Let them run full out and you will seperate the men from the boys real quick.
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That would be to much like racing.:sarcasm:
 
I don't think changing the size of the engines will change anything, they would still be bunched up. And removing the restrictor plate will cause the cars to go so fast a driver wouldn't have time to react from an incident a full straight ahead of them. I don't know the answer but I do remember a Daytona 500 where there was unlimited passing (very entertaining), I think the cars had the wing then.
 
get rid of the front blade, open up the grille, jerk off the rear spoiler, and give them a tire that is hard as a rock..Then take off the plate and we will see a good race.
 
I can't wait for the day Kasey Kahne snaps. Kyle's been pushing him around all year. And now his own teammate. The day he stands up for his rights is gonna be awesome.
 
StandOnIt said:
get rid of the front blade, open up the grille, jerk off the rear spoiler, and give them a tire that is hard as a rock..Then take off the plate and we will see a good race.
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Exactly. Remove the front valence and the side skirts --- those 2 things allow the car to suck down to the track. Get some air UNDER the cars.
Shorten the spoiler --- let the back end of the car sit up in the air.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Exactly. Remove the front valence and the side skirts --- those 2 things allow the car to suck down to the track. Get some air UNDER the cars.
Shorten the spoiler --- let the back end of the car sit up in the air.
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yep, they have the technology with roof flaps and all to be a lot safer than it was back in the day. They would have to drive the corners instead of holding it wide open the whole time, and the best driver instead of the best blocker would win the race
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Exactly. Remove the front valence and the side skirts --- those 2 things allow the car to suck down to the track. Get some air UNDER the cars.
Shorten the spoiler --- let the back end of the car sit up in the air.
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In general, isn't the front splitter the single biggest reason why these cars are so much better in clean air? Or is it not quite that simple?
 
carolinabuff said:
In general, isn't the front splitter the single biggest reason why these cars are so much better in clean air? Or is it not quite that simple?
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You're right , sadly it's not that simple . If there were a simple solustion that didn't involve ruining one of the most popular races in Motorsports (Daytona 500) Nascar would have tried it already.
 
As for #1 Kasey needs to grow some hair on a couple items.

The Plates not going anywhere, it's to easy an adjustment for NASCAR cars a bit to fast slightly smaller plate cars to slow slightly larger plate. NASCAR has a MPH number that fits in with their insurance carriers idea of whats safe and that's where they'll attempt to adjust the speeds to.

I enjoy the racing at the Superspeedways more from a technical/engineering aspect then entertainment and have for the past 40 some years. I also remember the Superspeedway racing long before the plates came along. Many of you say it was So Much better I remember it being 3-4 cars on the lead lap over half the cars not finishing and one or two teams or car brands dominating. Racing wasn't good at all compared to what we have now.
 
ted@economy said:
You're right , sadly it's not that simple . If there were a simple solustion that didn't involve ruining one of the most popular races in Motorsports (Daytona 500) Nascar would have tried it already.
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Errr, you have a lot of faith in the idiots that made the GEN6 so dependent on side force in a series built on side by side racing. Hell, these idiots still haven't figured out that those tire shredding side pipes made the door slam a big no no.
 
ted@economy said:
You're right , sadly it's not that simple . If there were a simple solustion that didn't involve ruining one of the most popular races in Motorsports (Daytona 500) Nascar would have tried it already.
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They should just ask a random message board expert. Despite the fact that they have never been involved in racing at any level. have no knowledge of physics or engineering and wouldn't even be able to understand the communication in one of the meetings they will likely be able to fix everything that's wrong with RP racing and NASCAR in general. :)
 
ted@economy said:
You're right , sadly it's not that simple . If there were a simple solustion that didn't involve ruining one of the most popular races in Motorsports (Daytona 500) Nascar would have tried it already.
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I have to disagree Teddy. The Daytona 500 was already a piece of Americana long before restrictor plates. I think sometimes you guys forget how good the racing was at Daytona and Talladega before the restrictor plates turned them into rolling parking lots. The 1979 Daytona 500 anybody? The 1985 Winston 500 when Bill Elliott made up two laps under green?

But, this is an academic argument anyway. There could be some changes made to the Gen6 car, sure, but restrictor plates aren't going away. Aside from the safety issues of cars flying into the catchfences, most NASCAR fans like the parking lot racing, so nothing will change despite whatever the vocal minority (myself included) thinks about RP racing.
 
KevinWI said:
I have to disagree Teddy. The Daytona 500 was already a piece of Americana long before restrictor plates. I think sometimes you guys forget how good the racing was at Daytona and Talladega before the restrictor plates turned them into rolling parking lots. The 1979 Daytona 500 anybody? The 1985 Winston 500 when Bill Elliott made up two laps under green?

But, this is an academic argument anyway. There could be some changes made to the Gen6 car, sure, but restrictor plates aren't going away. Aside from the safety issues of cars flying into the catchfences, most NASCAR fans like the parking lot racing, so nothing will change despite whatever the vocal minority (myself included) thinks about RP racing.
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As a Million Dollar Bill fan , I can hardly disagree . Nothing I would rather see than him race against those RP engines with an extra 50HP supplied by brother Ernie . Next Feb . would be just fine . Sandbag them during qualifying and practice , then take a Champions provisional to get in , and blow them away with a four lap lead . mmmmmm HEAVEN...thank you Kevin.
 
KevinWI said:
I have to disagree Teddy. The Daytona 500 was already a piece of Americana long before restrictor plates. I think sometimes you guys forget how good the racing was at Daytona and Talladega before the restrictor plates turned them into rolling parking lots. The 1979 Daytona 500 anybody? The 1985 Winston 500 when Bill Elliott made up two laps under green?
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:rolleyes: That would be the race where a driver over a half a lap behind won because the leaders and only other cars on the lead lap wrecked and the race where one car was so dominate he was able to make up two laps under green? LOL, not exactly the best examples of Great Racing in my opinion.

You know there's a lot of people who blame Elliots Dominating Superspeedway Thunderbird for restrictor plates being used to even up the field and Allison's wreck at Talladega just being a convenient excuse.
 
FlFlash said:
:rolleyes: That would be the race where a driver over a half a lap behind won because the leaders and only other cars on the lead lap wrecked and the race where one car was so dominate he was able to make up two laps under green? LOL, not exactly the best examples of Great Racing in my opinion.

You know there's a lot of people who blame Elliots Dominating Superspeedway Thunderbird for restrictor plates being used to even up the field and Allison's wreck at Talladega just being a convenient excuse.
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And also the origin of the word 'awesome' . :D
 
KevinWI said:
I have to disagree Teddy. The Daytona 500 was already a piece of Americana long before restrictor plates. I think sometimes you guys forget how good the racing was at Daytona and Talladega before the restrictor plates turned them into rolling parking lots. The 1979 Daytona 500 anybody? The 1985 Winston 500 when Bill Elliott made up two laps under green?

But, this is an academic argument anyway. There could be some changes made to the Gen6 car, sure, but restrictor plates aren't going away. Aside from the safety issues of cars flying into the catchfences, most NASCAR fans like the parking lot racing, so nothing will change despite whatever the vocal minority (myself included) thinks about RP racing.
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The 1979 Daytona 500 had three drivers finish on the lead lap and just 18 cars running at the end. :rolleyes:

Also look at the top speeds for qualifying and race.
 
ted@economy said:
Wow , really ? Have you told CBS ?
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What does CBS have to do with anything?

The Daytona 500 has become a boring race.

NASCAR was so much more exciting when the Daytona 500 was worth a damn and was followed up by Rockingham and then races like Atlanta (which used to be a good track), Bristol (before Bruton Smith destroyed that track) and Martinsville. Phoenix is a good race and it's a better way to start the "regular season" than California and Las Vegas.
 
I used to enjoy plate races because they weren't predictable. Now, it is. Three of the last four Daytona races, you pretty much knew who would win with 30 laps to go.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
What does CBS have to do with anything?

The Daytona 500 has become a boring race.

NASCAR was so much more exciting when the Daytona 500 was worth a damn and was followed up by Rockingham and then races like Atlanta (which used to be a good track), Bristol (before Bruton Smith destroyed that track) and Martinsville. Phoenix is a good race and it's a better way to start the "regular season" than California and Las Vegas.
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But you have to warn them not to broadcast it . They will lose everything . I couldn't go on without CBS.
 
Smoke14 said:
The 1979 Daytona 500 had three drivers finish on the lead lap and just 18 cars running at the end. :rolleyes:

Also look at the top speeds for qualifying and race.
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Yeah, that's called fair competition. Better than slowing all the cars down artificially so they bunch up and smash into each other.
 
KevinWI said:
Yeah, that's called fair competition. Better than slowing all the cars down artificially so they bunch up and smash into each other.
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The cars were "artificially" slowed to keep them from going airborne and killing fans. Wait, they must have been bunching up and crashing into each other back when they were going airborne.
 
FlFlash said:
:rolleyes: That would be the race where a driver over a half a lap behind won because the leaders and only other cars on the lead lap wrecked and the race where one car was so dominate he was able to make up two laps under green? LOL, not exactly the best examples of Great Racing in my opinion.

You know there's a lot of people who blame Elliots Dominating Superspeedway Thunderbird for restrictor plates being used to even up the field and Allison's wreck at Talladega just being a convenient excuse.
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Your not the first source I heard that one from.
My Father who worked on a car in Nascar's early years said the same thing along with people they new in the Garage. "AWESOME BILL from DAWSONVILLE" There's your culprit!!!
 
Smoke14 said:
The cars were "artificially" slowed to keep them from going airborne and killing fans. Wait, they must have been bunching up and crashing into each other back when they were going airborne.
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I'm aware of why they use the restrictor plate. I just would rather prefer strung out racing where faster cars can be rewarded than a style of racing where they're all stuck together like a traffic jam on the freeway.
 
I wasn't around but I watched the full '79 500 on YouTube, and to be honest that was one of the best races I've ever seen. As for all of the DNFs, mechanical failures aren't nearly as frequent as they used to be so I don't think having only half the field finish would be an issue.
 
If you watch the old, pre-plate races, look at the cars ---- they were big, boxy pieces of Detroit iron. Not exactly aerodynamic. They were hard to drive and kept drivers on their toes.
The engine development was far ahead of the aero development, so the cars went faster and thus the plates were mandated. To combat the power reduction, engineering went to work to develop the sleeker, slick car to help overcome the lack of HP.
Now we're almost back to where we started ---- speeds are faster because of aero and HP even with plates. Sooner or later, something will have to be done.
Granted, the best thing would be to reduce the banking --- but we all know "that ain't happening".

IMO, start with getting the cars up off the track looking like cars instead of vacuum cleaners.
 
Regardless of liking RPs or not, there is no going back. We cant have cars in the bleachers making a soft landing. The day that happens will be the worse day of our racing lives.
Just look at the past February Daytona NWS, and without plates on Cup cars the risk is exponentially greater.

There is no sinister plot other than the Frances protecting their profits. But think about it, if they could run them unlimited at 225 mph they would. The idea has the glamorous vibe of Indy during the glory days, or of Nuremberg, but it just impossible. Under no conditions can we risk a modern day 1955 Lemans, and it would happen without the plates.

Here to stay, sad but true.
BTW when awsome Bill was dominating it was boring except for his fans, it was no contest
 
I can imagine a world where NASCAR went to V6s. The good old boys wouldn't like it, but the manufacturers probably wouldn't care. You can't even get a Toyota Camry or Ford Fusion with a V8 anymore.
 
Greg said:
Regardless of liking RPs or not, there is no going back. We cant have cars in the bleachers making a soft landing. The day that happens will be the worse day of our racing lives.
Just look at the past February Daytona NWS, and without plates on Cup cars the risk is exponentially greater.

There is no sinister plot other than the Frances protecting their profits. But think about it, if they could run them unlimited at 225 mph they would. The idea has the glamorous vibe of Indy during the glory days, or of Nuremberg, but it just impossible. Under no conditions can we risk a modern day 1955 Lemans, and it would happen without the plates.

Here to stay, sad but true.
BTW when awsome Bill was dominating it was boring except for his fans, it was no contest
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Of course after reading this I had to look up the 1955 LeMans race.

Damn !

"Eighty-three spectators and one driver died at the scene and 120 more were injured in the most catastrophic accident in motorsport history."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_Le_Mans_disaster
 
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