2019 All Star Format

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  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    figured this would probably rate it's own thread

  2. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I wish they would run it on the roval no matter the format.
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  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I wonder what the new regime will come up with. The driver's council is kaput, so we don't have to worry about any Kez brainstorms. :D
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  4. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Yeah plus it gives the Truck Series another road course
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  5. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    Let's race normally to halfway, then go backwards till 10 to go, and split the field in half. Half go clockwise half go counter-clockwise. If they all wreck before 10 laps are done, last car standing wins.

    Credit: Tony Stewart
  6. MRM

    MRM Team Owner

    They're going to run clockwise.
  7. ReturnTrip

    ReturnTrip Team Owner

    Change spoilers mid-race.
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  8. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Here we go again.

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  9. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

  10. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    If it's in the vein of "Hey, we realize we went too far, and we're going to experiment with reducing the splitter size and radiator pan width", I agree. ;)
  11. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I'm sure its in that area, no place better to test something. ;)
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  12. acmerocket

    acmerocket Team Owner

    there are going to vent the air under the hood up and through the hood.
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  13. DIDIT

    DIDIT Old School Fan

    Well from a racing fan that flunked engineering, I just say :idunno:.
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  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    sounds like they are trying a different balance for the car. Curious about the splitter myself, I always thought like the first edition of the COT the wrap around part was a tire cutter.
  15. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I think Mike Joy has it figured out

  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  17. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    I vote for running the first segment on the big track, the second segment on the Roval, then the final segment on the quarter-mile.
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  18. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    There you go. The annual Next Year's Aero Test Triathlon All-Star Jamboree.
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  19. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    I wound add a stage 4. After stage 3 the pace leads them to the dirt track for stage 4.
  20. DIDIT

    DIDIT Old School Fan

    Wait, don't we need stage 5 to run the 1/4 mile four wide to the finish?
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  21. jws926

    jws926 I need to think of something new for here

    Or, its always been said NASCAR is a team sport, so lets get the team involved and the final stage consist the teams packing up and heading back to the shop, first team that does one complete lap in the hauler wins the ASR
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  22. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    Best thing about all star weekend 2019: I don't have to read about how Chase can't close the deal and win an Open segment to qualify for the show.
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  23. MikeInIllinois

    MikeInIllinois Team Owner

    DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (April 17, 2019) – Race fans looking for a glimpse into the future need look no further than this year’s Monster Energy NASCAR All-Star Race. As demonstrated throughout its illustrious history, NASCAR’s annual all-star spectacular will again provide the platform for the world’s greatest stock car drivers to compete for $1 million dollars, while race teams will get a real-world experience with technical components that could be implemented in the next generation car.

    The next step in the all-star evolution was unveiled today.

    NASCAR and Charlotte Motor Speedway announced the format and technical specifications for the 2019 edition, a race that will feature some tried and true measures, as well as a potential glimpse into the Gen-7 future.

    "Throughout its history, the Monster Energy NASCAR All-Star Race has provided a platform to try new and innovative ideas, some of which we have incorporated on a full-time basis," said Steve O’Donnell, NASCAR executive vice president and chief racing development officer. "Last year’s all-star rules package resulted in one of the most exciting all-star races in history. With a similar package, and added elements that we could see in the next generation race car, we expect another must-watch event."

    "This will be the 35th running of the Monster Energy NASCAR All-Star Race, and while it’s known for memorable moments, this race has established a place in history for testing what’s best for the future," said Marcus Smith, president and CEO of Speedway Motorsports Inc. "THIS is the proving ground. Fans can always look back and see that night racing, stage racing and double-file restarts started in the All-Star Race. And last year’s rules package produced the most three- and four-wide racing I’ve ever seen at Charlotte. This year may provide a peek into the crystal ball for the Gen-7 car, so once again, fans can expect the unexpected."

    The race will again have four stages, with a five lap increase in the final stage compared to last year’s race. The stages will last 30 laps, 20 laps, 20 laps and 15 laps. Both green flag and yellow flag laps will count in Stages 1-3; with only green flag laps counting in the Final Stage. NASCAR Overtime rules will be in effect for Stages 1-3. In the final stage, if the race is restarted with two or less laps remaining, there will be unlimited attempts at a green, white, checkered finish under green flag conditions.

    For the 2019 edition, the race cars will feature two keys technical elements that NASCAR may incorporate into the Gen-7 car slated to debut in 2021.

    The first is single-piece carbon fiber splitter/pan that should offer dramatic improvements in ride height sensitivity for the drivers. This technical component will provide a more stable aero platform and create more consistent performance in traffic. Also, the car will be configured with a radiator duct which exits through the hood as opposed to the current design which exits into the engine compartment. This feature will create improved aerodynamic parity and, at the same time, reduce engine temperatures.

    The Monster Energy Open will occur Saturday evening prior to the Monster Energy All-Star Race and will include three segments (20 laps / 20 Laps / 10 laps). The winner of each segment will earn a spot in the All-Star Race.

    Those eligible for the Monster Energy All-Star Race include: drivers who won a points event in either 2018 or 2019; drivers who won a Monster Energy All-Star Race and compete full-time; and drivers who won a Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship and compete fulltime. Those who have not already earned a spot via the above criteria can still lock-in by winning a stage in the Monster Energy Open or by winning the Fan Vote. Polls for the fan vote are open now on NASCAR.com.

    Drivers who have already clinch an All-Star Race spot: Aric Almirola, Ryan Blaney, Clint Bowyer, Kurt Busch, Kyle Busch, Austin Dillon, Chase Elliott, Denny Hamlin, Kevin Harvick, Jimmie Johnson, Erik Jones, Brad Keselowski, Joey Logano, Ryan Newman and Martin Truex Jr.
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  24. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Good call.
  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    one piece standard part splitter pan to reduce aero tweaking. More consistent performance in traffic eh? and a new cooling duct for the radiator, probably another standard part. Those don't seem like much but at 150 to 180 or so who knows. They are looking at that duct for a potential change for the Gen 7 car so it must work pretty good for aero. I think it's going to be interesting and wonder if a person will be able to tell the changes or not. KDB will say the cars suck if he doesn't win, Larson will mumble, Chase will be non committal, and whoever wins the million bucks will think it is the best thing since sliced bread.
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  26. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Bump that victory winnings up to 5 or 10 million and we’ll see some real passion and excitement to win this race. Formats be damned.
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  27. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Just let it through a hole in the floor like Carl did.:D
  28. Revman

    Revman I'm just here so I don't get fined.

    A test is a really good place to test something too. :D
  29. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Well look at this way, you are gonna have a larger data base of info with everyone paticipationg instead of a few. You eliminate a possible travel date which is very expensive or even if you did a week day Charlotte test you still are spending time and resources that would already be incorporated during the All Star event. Real world testing beats sending 4 or 5 cars out. ;)
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  30. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    reading that the radiator duct is supposed to help in dirty air. Reduces the front end push. We'll see.
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  31. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    Got a nice dirt track on the other side of Turn 3-4 they can use for this event
  32. RacerrecaR

    RacerrecaR Orange cone

    With the season finale supposedly going to be on a rotational basis, why not do the same for the All-Star race? Keep it semi-local and rotate between Charlotte, Darlington, Richmond, Bristol.

    Keep this race as a "test" package and use all 4 tracks (including Charlotte roval) within 5 years to help determine the next generation of cars & packages. This means racing on 2 intermediate tracks, 2 short tracks, and 1 road course which are all unique, so it would provide a good baseline for what a future package should be. Add to that the pre-season Clash (should also be a "test" race) and now you have all 4 track types where packages can be tested during a race over a 5-year span.

    I may be biased but I think that sounds like a damn good idea.
  33. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    SMI doesn't want to give up money, is my guess
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  34. Revman

    Revman I'm just here so I don't get fined.

    I hear you, but a couple of things....1) Teams are spending a lot of money on rule changes, and 2) I think the learning curve for young drivers is pretty steep when everything is in-race.....Use the All Star Race for confirmation, and let's give the kids some seat time.
  35. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    All-Star Race should be BYOB

    and let them adjust their blades during the race
  36. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    Well, apparently Gen 7 still has a splitter at this point. I'm way less optimistic now. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't O'Donnell say last year that the splitter would be gone?
  37. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    I think he has said both that he personally would not want it and that IF they could get rid of it, they would, but NASCAR's research prefers a splitter over a traditional valance. I think this is not unrelated to the X-3 car they've tested in the past, where they came across one combination where the splitter contributed ~10% of the car's total downforce versus ~25% on whatever year of Cup car they were comparing to. I think it was 2015 or 2016. So in dirty air there'd be less aero sensitivity, at least on the front end.
  38. mack

    mack Team Owner

    Run stock bodied cars, bias ply tires, two 20 lap heats, one 100 lap feature. everybody makes the feature based on heat finishes. competition caution with 10 to go. Past winners and champions star in the rear of the main. Drop the green, let her rip tater chip.
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  39. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    I’ll tell you what talking to mechanical engineers at work there is no way the splitter will be gone. Not a chance, it’s so efficient at reducing air going under the car as well as dispersing it to the side
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  40. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I hope they at least trim off the sides, they went backwards on that with this latest package.
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