#66 Confiscated After Race: Start & Parks Doomed?

I don't know that they are that much of a problem.There are perennial last place teams in every sport.From golf to baseball,etc. Sometimes they find a way to get better sometimes they disappear.I know that it is harder to keep your hat in the ring if you are not at the racetrack and fielding a team.Waiting at home for a call isn't the way to get noticed.Sponsor deals,mergers,etc. happen all the time.Everyone has to start at the bottom.How does one start higher up?:confused:
 
Brian is a greedy p-i-g pig. Na$car can always find a reason, aka excuse, for their actions.

Ok, play by their rules, soon there won't be full starting fields of 43 cars. Then the networks will put the pressure on by holding back $$$ as the tv contracts call for full fields. Then he'll change his tune.
 
OK, this is going to get good, real quick. How many out there that were complaining about start and parks are now going to be complaining that NASCAR's dealing with it? :rolleyes:
 
I don't know that they are that much of a problem.There are perennial last place teams in every sport.From golf to baseball,etc. Sometimes they find a way to get better sometimes they disappear.I know that it is harder to keep your hat in the ring if you are not at the racetrack and fielding a team.Waiting at home for a call isn't the way to get noticed.Sponsor deals,mergers,etc. happen all the time.Everyone has to start at the bottom.How does one start higher up?:confused:
Take the Nationwide race at ACS.
Running order#41 Danny Efland 17 laps and out.(Engine)
#42 Denis Setzer 3 laps and out(Engine)
#43 John Bornemann 2 laps and out(Engine)
When you look up and down pit row and see certain war wagons in place,but not even set up,you have to wonder why.Do certain teams know in advance they will have problems,or is it just an expensive way to make money.
Sometimes teams that start and park take away a chance for another team that just might run the whole race,therefore giving valuable experience to someone who really wants to Race.I was under the assumption that teams went to tracks to race,not do 5-10 laps and leave!
 
So how do you tell the start and parks from someone who just wants to race.And what if a start and park out qualifies the other?
 
Somebody made a good comment during the race, something to the effect of that a car can't get sponsorship by sitting back home in the shop. DW and McReynolds went on to say they have always been around but weren't called start and park until recently. They used to get some of them to run 10 or so laps on tires for them to break them in and they didn't mind because it was 10 more laps of exposure they got.
 
To be honest on the start and park issue im split. On one hand you got guys trying to take spots in the field with no intention to run the entire race, on the other hand some races dont have that big of a field. For most races I dont get to upset about them but if it is a race like Daytona or Charlotte where their is a large number of cars trying out and you have a Dave Blaney or Joe Nemechek trying to cost a Bill Elliot or Casey Mears a spot in the race them im going to be pretty pissed off.
 
I wish someone would give Wood Brothers a full sponsorship. Maybe now that Ask.com is free they could do them a solid.
 
“It’s one thing to try to race each week,” said the manager of a team that generally finishes among the 40-somethings who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “But I think doing two (teams) to get a check isn’t going to sit very well with NASCAR.”

Two teams is pushing it a bit.
 
The car started near the front and led a few laps. WTH? It has to go through tech. Didn't someone say all teams cheat?
 
It only led laps while green flag pit stops were cycling thru I think.

You may be right but I doubt that NASCAR cares. Do you honestly think that NASCAR wants thirty nine cars to show up for a race? NASCAR is under constant scrutiny for every decision they make.
 
When you look up and down pit row and see certain war wagons in place,but not even set up,you have to wonder why.Do certain teams know in advance they will have problems,or is it just an expensive way to make money.

On the other hand, we photo'g know exactly which pit to go to, by looking for "idle" war wagons. Because we know they'll be leaving within 5 laps, giving us excellent shots of the big name's pit stops
 
On the other hand, we photo'g know exactly which pit to go to, by looking for "idle" war wagons. Because we know they'll be leaving within 5 laps, giving us excellent shots of the big name's pit stops

This statement makes me sick to my stomach. Something needs to change. I wish I had the answer to this problem.
 
This statement makes me sick to my stomach. Something needs to change. I wish I had the answer to this problem.

Well, here's one problem that seems to be brining the start-n-parks to the track:


FIN ST CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR PTS/BNS LAPS STATUS WINNINGS

16 8 77 Sam Hornish Jr. Dodge Auto Club 115/0 250 Running 102,325
41 5 66 Dave Blaney Toyota Prism Motorsports 45/5 43 Engine 102,100

$225 difference. The 66 completed 45 laps, the 77 completed the whole race.

:confused:
 
The qualified 5th and led 3 laps. That don't look like a start and park to me. I remember in '94 at the season finale at Atlanta, Gordon had a comanding lead in the points, but there was still a mathmatical chance for Earnhardt to win. Hendrick has a start and park that ran a few laps and went to the garage to take up a spot at the back of the pack in case something happened to Gordon. Later after Gordo sealed the deal, Hendrick actually went out and pitted the car.

NASCAR will be crying when there is no race fillers to fill out the 43 car feild.
 
That's right.I remember several teams doing that back in the day.Funny it wasn't frowned upon when the big teams were doing it.It was just considered smart.
 
That's right.I remember several teams doing that back in the day.Funny it wasn't frowned upon when the big teams were doing it.It was just considered smart.
This isn't "back in the day" now. It seems a matter of economics for unsponsored teams to start and park. Cars are expensive,so why not use the same car for as many races as possible with out damaging the car.Factor in haulers,fuel,tires, plane tix,motel rooms,the list goes on.To some teams it's just a business,whereas other teams ,it's a passion first,then a business.
 
UPDATE: Phil Parsons didn't take it personally or consider it a message to start-and-park teams when NASCAR impounded the #66 driven by Dave Blaney following Sunday's Sprint Cup race at Auto Club Speedway. He took it as a compliment. Had Blaney not qualified fifth, led three laps and run in the top 10 for a while before parking 43 laps into the 250-lap event, Parsons doesn't believe the car would have been a random selection for a full teardown. "If I am them and they are me and they qualified fifth, I may want a little extra look at that car,'' said Parsons, the owner of Prism Motorsports that fields the #66 and #55 of Michael McDowell. "We're fairly new and haven't been around that much. There aren't many relatively new teams that are able to do stuff like that. We may be a victim of our own success.'' Some might question success. Both Prism cars parked early Sunday, saving the engines and other parts for this week's race at Las Vegas. Like it or not, that's the business model some owners have to follow until the economy lightens its grip around the sport. Parsons understands it could gives owners like him a bad name. He also understands that he's doing everything he can to stay in the sport. "We try to race when we have money to race,'' said Parsons, who formed an alliance just before the season to get cars from Michael Waltrip Racing. "We raced Daytona the week before and [McDowell] broke a drive shaft with five laps to go. We're out there in the market place. It's just been very difficult to raise money.'' Bottom line, when the cars are sponsored Parsons will race them. When they are not he'll likely park them unless he's made enough money from days like Sunday to take a chance. "The economics of the thing, the additional cost for an engine, to use the engine for all 500 miles and the amount of tires that it takes to run the rest of the race ... it could be astronomical,'' Parsons said. "We're all racers. I know how hard it is for Dave. But we also want to race next week. We have to try to be smart and do what we can with what we have. I'm trying to build this thing. Hopefully, deals like Dave Blaney qualifying fifth opens some eyes.'' There are some who believe Parsons is throwing the whole start-and-park philosophy in NASCAR's face by doing it with two cars, and that NASCAR tossed it back by impounding the 66. That means Blaney, who only had two cars to start with, will have to qualify his backup at Las Vegas unless NASCAR is able to complete its inspection in Vegas in time. That likely won't happen. What makes this difficult on the 66 team is the backup won't be nearly as equal to the primary as might be the case on large, well-established teams.(in part from ESPN)(2-22-2010)
 
I think Blaney and Parsons are passionate about Nascar.I don't think any one of us is more passionate.If economic circumstances mean they have to use their heads until a sponsor comes along ,why not?
 
The question still is do they not have a sponsor because they park or do they park because they have no sponsor? I would hate to think that they expect to impress any sponsor by sitting on the sidelines. If they really want to race they should give it their all. These guys are millionaires: Blaney, Parsons, etc. If you want to race then go broke doing it. If you cant afford to play get out of the game. Let someone else go bankrupt that wants to race. If you expect it to be a painless, comfortable experience then expect to not have a sponsor. There is sponsorship money. They just need to pursue it.
 
The question still is do they not have a sponsor because they park or do they park because they have no sponsor? I would hate to think that they expect to impress any sponsor by sitting on the sidelines. If they really want to race they should give it their all. These guys are millionaires: Blaney, Parsons, etc. If you want to race then go broke doing it. If you cant afford to play get out of the game. Let someone else go bankrupt that wants to race. If you expect it to be a painless, comfortable experience then expect to not have a sponsor. There is sponsorship money. They just need to pursue it.

Kenny Wallace doesn't have a sponsor.

Nuff said.
 
Kenny Wallace doesn't have a sponsor.

Nuff said.

From his facebook page
Kenny Wallace Press Release: Kenny Wallace will be sponsored in the
NNS race in Las Vegas by "Federated Auto Parts"

and he did have a sponsor in Cali it was zimmzang.com.It was enough to put tires on the whole race.
 
Who was it that said "The way to make a small fortune in Nascar is to start with a large one"...this might apply here.
 
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