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As one of the old pharts of the forum, I have to say that it seemed good to see a driver end one tradition by reviving another which we haven't seen in awhile.
Terry's victory lap with the checkers brought back lots of memories of bygone times.
The only thing which might have been better would have been someone dressed in a Confederate Soldier's uniform, riding on the fender and carrying the Stars and Bars on that victory lap.

Yeah, I know that I'm a very outspoken Yankee, but I can remember that tradition quite well. It had nothing to do with racism, just part of a proud tradition which has become politically incorrect in our society. (It bothers me that parts of history must be forgotten because some portions of that society deem something "politically incorrect". Shouldn't we all learn from the past, be proud of it and learn from it, instead of trying to bury it and pretend that it never happened?)

Oh well, one more part of the past has died and new traditions are waiting to be made.
Let's all be thankful that we were able to be a part of, or witness to, the growth and success which NASCAR has enjoyed over its first half century. At least some of us old timers are still around to witness new traditions being formed.
Who can say whether or not some of the new ones will be as great or greater than those which are being allowed to die in the name of progress?
Perhaps in another half century, NASCAR and stockcar racing will be only a memory, a short, nearly forgotten footnote in the history of sports or entertainment. Will the folks of that time wonder way anyone would ever do something as stupid as chase each other around in circles in high-powered, fossil fueled, steel cages, merely for the thrills and the money? Will they wonder why other folks would spend huge amounts of money and travel great distances to sit outside in the weather to watch such foolishness, then spend even more money to buy toys and other souviners?

I guess we'll just have to wait another half century to find those answers.
HS, do you suppose you and I will be around to witness any of that?
I wonder how fast an electric car can go?
 
Don't you watch the Star Wars movies boB ?????? The future is racing space craft.

Traditions, promises and contracts of modern day NASCAR personnel are like pie crust, all made to be broken.

As a Texas Aggie, sadly, there were many traditions in the fifties that do not exist today at that institution. And in racing, the heritage of the sport so deftly explained by the less senior member in age of the old phartz society, boB has touched a nerve.

But as they say, yesterday is history, tomorrow is the futuure and today is a present, a gift. Enjoy the gift.

Nothing ever progressed from standing still. All the NASCAR fans must do is think how long they have been involved with the sport and realize less than one-half of them have seen strong traditions go by the wayside. Those of us who have seen them, are trying, sometimes vainly, to understand them. This is all in the name of progress, and ironically enough, these changes are supported by the drivers, teams and owners. Junior Johnson was one of the first to tell NASCAR to grow out of it's roots.
 
Yeah it was great to see Terry win. I'd also like to see Schrader win a race. :idunno:
 
Originally posted by nascar20@Sep 1 2003, 01:48 PM
Yeah it was great to see Terry win. I'd also like to see Schrader win a race. :idunno:
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Welcome to the forum Nascar20! And yeah I too like it when the oldies win. Now if Marlin could just pull one off I would be really happy!
 
As a middle aged phart, who probably has as much engine experience as you old pharts, I was on the edge of my seat when I saw what Labonte was doing...wondering if "everyone" was about to declare it as a "new tradition"...LOl....I'm glad he won and if not the 5 then at least another veteran.
 
HOw fast can an electric car go? Faster than we can imagine if these boys have to turn their attention that way. Who woulda thunk that they could get more than 2.5 HP per cubic inch out a normally aspirated pushrod iron block?

Will we see see it.......I won't unless they build a sound generator into the system. I remember hearing Grantelli's turbine and thinking that just ain't right........LOL

Gawd, I had not thought about Johnny riding the car with the checkers in years......If they did that now I reckon the car wouldn't pass post race, prolly be too low. Ya don't see the driver stop on pit road where the whole crew would pile on the car and ride to Victory Lane anymore either..............

It was way cool to see Terry get the checkers for his victory lap, even cooler to see him win the race. Not a new tradition, drivers have been doing this for years, leave it to the "Iceman" to keep his cool and think to do it. Watching that checkers flutter down from the starters stand to the hood of his car was one them goosebumps moments for this old phart...........
 
Yeah, with about 10 to go we starting betting whether Terry would do doughnuts and burn the rear tires off of the car or not. I was betting he wouldn't do it. I, for one, am glad he didn't. B)
 
Originally posted by Windsor377@Sep 1 2003, 07:54 PM
As a middle aged phart, who probably has as much engine experience as you old pharts, I was on the edge of my seat when I saw what Labonte was doing...wondering if "everyone" was about to declare it as a "new tradition"...LOl....I'm glad he won and if not the 5 then at least another veteran.
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Windsor377, I'm sure you and possibly one-third of the posters here have more engine experience than me. I defer to the more knowledgeable on technical topics. Sorry if I left you with the wrong impression. If I did it was not intentional.
One thing I don't want to do is mislead anyone on my experience(s).

And Bowtie, what's with you ??? Not wanting Terry to do donuts?? I figured all you young guys were into that stuff. I agree with you, it is a bit of a diminshed capacity thing to do but the majority of the fans love it. GEESH !!!! Now we'll have to rethink your application to the old phartz group !!!!!


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Originally posted by Whizzer@Sep 2 2003, 09:30 AM


And Bowtie, what's with you ??? Not wanting Terry to do donuts?? I figured all you young guys were into that stuff. I agree with you, it is a bit of a diminshed capacity thing to do but the majority of the fans love it. GEESH !!!! Now we'll have to rethink your application to the old phartz group !!!!!


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See there you go Whizzer, stereotyping again. "All you young guys" just throw me in there with everybody. :D Well, I may be a little younger, and I may live a little off the beaten path of Nascar, (North Lousiana is not really a hotbed of racing) but I have been attending Nascar races since the late 80's, since I owned a vehicle that would get me that far reliably. I have seen some traditions disappear also.

Oh, and as far as the old phartz group, I don't think I could live up to that yet so I think I will have to pass on that offer. I don't have the wisdom that comes with that honor yet, but thanks anyway. ;) ;)
 
Actually Bowtie, my comments were intended as a bit of a joke, not a personal affront. They were meant in no other way as I agree on the donuts and as for the age thing, that part is true I consider any one younger than me is a "young guy", and if you note past posts, I've refered to boB in the same way.

Just to expound a bit, age has nothing to do with the knowledge. If I were to try to gain the background and knowledge Hardscrabble or boB have, I would have to study twenty-four hours a day 'till I die, and still come up short.
I wasn't trying to put you down. If that was the impression you got from my post, I appologize.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@Sep 2 2003, 10:20 AM
Actually Bowtie, my comments were intended as a bit of a joke, not a personal affront. They were meant in no other way as I agree on the donuts and as for the age thing, that part is true I consider any one younger than me is a "young guy", and if you note past posts, I've refered to boB in the same way.

Just to expound a bit, age has nothing to do with the knowledge. If I were to try to gain the background and knowledge Hardscrabble or boB have, I would have to study twenty-four hours a day 'till I die, and still come up short.
I wasn't trying to put you down. If that was the impression you got from my post, I appologize.
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I added the :D so you wouldn't think I was serious, all in good fun my friend, all in good fun.
 
Yea, and I realized it AFTER posting my message and appology.
But in a more serious vein, what is North Louisiana ? Is it like North Carolina or North Dakota ???

There was one thing, you mentioned North Louisiana was not exactly a hot bed of racing. I concur 100%.

On our return to the east coast from the Great State of Texas, we traveled through the top end of Louisiana and stayed one night in a small town about sixty miles east of Shreveport. We went into town to find a place to eat and as we drove by the city park, noticed there were several people standing in the park, so we stopped and went over to see what was going on. All these people were looking at the ground and it only took a few minutes to realize it was thier entertainment. Standing in the park watching the grass grow !!!!!!
BIG WHOOP !!!!!!! Exciting times in North Louisiana. :cheers:
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@Sep 2 2003, 11:04 AM
Yea, and I realized it AFTER posting my message and appology.
But in a more serious vein, what is North Louisiana ? Is it like North Carolina or North Dakota ???

There was one thing, you mentioned North Louisiana was not exactly a hot bed of racing. I concur 100%.

On our return to the east coast from the Great State of Texas, we traveled through the top end of Louisiana and stayed one night in a small town about sixty miles east of Shreveport. We went into town to find a place to eat and as we drove by the city park, noticed there were several people standing in the park, so we stopped and went over to see what was going on. All these people were looking at the ground and it only took a few minutes to realize it was thier entertainment. Standing in the park watching the grass grow !!!!!!
BIG WHOOP !!!!!!! Exciting times in North Louisiana. :cheers:
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That little town sixty miles east of Shreveport is my great hometown of Ruston. And although there is not a whole lot to do here, I love it and would never leave. It is a simple but proud place. And those people you saw watching the grass grow....well......they were from the East coast also. :cheers:
 
Actually it was Minden. After checking the map, perhaps it wasn't sixty miles. It's just when you see the rest of the world, well, what can I say, one mile of travel in Louisiana equates to ten miles anywhere else when the only thing to see are mosquitos and alligators. :rolleyes:

But what would I know. I'm originally from Noo Joisey myself but relocated to Noth Care' lina. And I like things just the way they are thank you very much :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Whizzer+Sep 2 2003, 09:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whizzer @ Sep 2 2003, 09:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Windsor377@Sep 1 2003, 07:54 PM
As a middle aged phart, who probably has as much engine experience as you old pharts, I was on the edge of my seat when I saw what Labonte was doing...wondering if "everyone" was about to declare it as a "new tradition"...LOl....I'm glad he won and if not the 5 then at least another veteran.
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Windsor377, I'm sure you and possibly one-third of the posters here have more engine experience than me. I defer to the more knowledgeable on technical topics. Sorry if I left you with the wrong impression. If I did it was not intentional.
One thing I don't want to do is mislead anyone on my experience(s)....



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I don't think you gave any mis-impressions. I've just learned over time not to low ball. Engine guy or not, I still like your stories.
 
Originally posted by HardScrabble@Sep 2 2003, 08:19 AM
Not a new tradition, drivers have been doing this for years, leave it to the "Iceman" to keep his cool and think to do it. Watching that checkers flutter down from the starters stand to the hood of his car was one them goosebumps moments for this old phart...........
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Yeah, I know, but I'm not sure many others remembered. I was alomost dead sure a "new tradition" had just been born!...couldn't help but laugh at the time.
 
Originally posted by bowtie@Sep 2 2003, 09:41 AM
Well, I may be a little younger, and I may live a little off the beaten path of Nascar, (North Lousiana is not really a hotbed of racing)...
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Just head south to a town called Abbevile and you will find, if not the best, then one of the VERY best cylinder head guys in the Country. Larry Meaux of Mueax Racing Heads.
 
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