a little track smack

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let's see if we can do this peacefully, sanely, and safely....

Pull a track smack and get umpteen people to agree on 1 thing without killing eachother.

Q: If you were Brian France, what would you do?

for me:

1. Eliminate the tire rule. What the heck is the point in that, especially with #2 below...

2.1. Change testing. Save a few headaches and money wasting when it comes to testing. Change it to 2 criteria: each team owner/organization gets 4 tests (as in Rousch gets 4 tests for 5 cars, Robby gordon gets 4 tests for 1 car). Then have 8 tests: a road course, a short track, a 1 mile track, a 1.5 mile quad-oval track, a 2 mile track, Daytona, Talladega, and the eighth is team select. Tires purchased but not used for these tests are to be given back to goodyear at a full refund.

2.2. Then change all races to 3 day shows (exception to Daytona 500).
Thursday is open busch testing for 3 hours (9 to 11))-but you can only test the 2 cars in the hauler that you plan to use as primary/backup for the race, Engine/driveline changes don't reflect toward the race, and each car is limited to 4 sets of tires for the entire test session.
Then Thursday afternoon is a 60 min Busch first practice (12 to 1:00).

Friday Morning is open cup testing for 2 hours (9 to 11), using the same rules as the one for the busch series.
Then Friday afternoon is a 60 minute cup first practice (12 to 1:00) and busch qualifying (~1:15 to 4:15).

Saturday is a 60 minute busch final practice (9:00 to 10:00) then cup qualifying (~10:15 to 1:15), and the busch race.

Sunday Morning is a 70 minute Cup final practice (8:50 to 10:00), afternoon is the cup race.

3. Change the points and chase up a little. Keep the bar at top 10 in points or 400 points, but also make any driver with 3 or more wins in that year automatically elegible for the chase. And along with all the other bonus points, give the winning driver 10 bonus points if they win from the pole, and 10 more if they lead the most laps and win. Go off percentages for the chase. I'd put 3 1.5 milers (atlanta, texas, homestead), 2 2 miler (michigan, Cali), 2 1 miler (pheonix, NHIS), 1 RP race ('dega), 2 short track race (bristol, martinsville)

4. Give darlington and Rockingham their dates back




what about you?
 
1.Tires---softer
2.Testing--none
3.Chase--none
4.Give rockingham her date back.
 
I'm all for Darlington and Rockingham getting their dates back :)
 
Hey, if it were me, I'd have all the races withing 300 miles of where I live, maybe even closer, with the exception of Daytona and Taladega. I'd give back the races to the Rock, Darlington and of course, North Wilkesboro. For that matter, I'd add Caraway Speedway, Hickory, Orange Country Speedway and of course, Bowman Gray Stadium to the list of tracks. I'd open it up to anything that runs and they could test, change tires, any tires, and do what they want to the cars. I'd expect that withing a couple of years, there'd only be Roush, Hendricks and Penske as owners, but who cares? It's racing that counts. :beerbang:
 
testing is the big one for me....seems to be the only real way to eliminate the Roush-Hendrick effect on the sport.

Everybody test at the same place....meaning Nascar mandates when and where teams test...therefore a 5 car team doesnt get to test at 25 race tracks and a one car team gets to test at 5 tracks.
 
This Buds For Me said:
testing is the big one for me....seems to be the only real way to eliminate the Roush-Hendrick effect on the sport.

Everybody test at the same place....meaning Nascar mandates when and where teams test...therefore a 5 car team doesnt get to test at 25 race tracks and a one car team gets to test at 5 tracks.
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That's basically how it is now.

got $$?
 
True, 5 cars will garner more data they can share with the rest than a single car can especially when you limit the tests. Maybe if they say that each group can have X number of tests. Then Roush/Hendricks would have to decide who was going to do the tests for them where a single car team could do all of the tests.
 
barelypure said:
True, 5 cars will garner more data they can share with the rest than a single car can especially when you limit the tests. Maybe if they say that each group can have X number of tests. Then Roush/Hendricks would have to decide who was going to do the tests for them where a single car team could do all of the tests.
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see my origional post...
 
1. Get rid of the plates and go to a crate motor for Dega and Daytona.
2. 5 tests for each owner ...period.
3. Keep the tire rule , but make it work better , not sure how, but France could come up with something.
4. All the tracks should have out of bounds, not just Dega and Daytona. ...if you are going to have them at 2 tracks you have to have them at all of them.
5. Limit the number of commercials in a broadcast race, it is getting out of hand
 
The whole tests per owner thing ain't gonna jibe, sorry folks. That is a crock. I'm sure these teams help each other to an extent but they certainly aren't going to give up any crucial information to another team, even under the same owner. Let's look at this in a hypothetical manner... OK... Roush, Hendrick get 5 tests like everyone else. On the Hendrick side, JJ tests at Vegas. Then, all he has to do is tell Gordon & company how to set up their cars/chassis and Gordon is gonna be competitive with that??? Yeah, right. I'm sure Martin likes his car exactly like Biffle does, too. That's not fair at all. If you drive for a owner with one car, that's tough....that's America.Some people take a bigger risk every week with more cars/money on the table & some don't. Last time I checked, the Gibbs organization has won 3 out of the last 5 championships with 2 cars and 2 different manufacturers. Kahne ain't doing too shabby w/ a small evernham program either. It's like Martin said a few years ago when he was asked about sharing information with his "teammates" Kenseth, Busch, etc. He replied that they weren't on his "team". If they were, they would be on the track solely to help him win every week & that just wasn't the case.
 
If I were Brian...

I'd tear the rule book in half, and throw half of it in the trash.
 
Go back to absolutely stock bodies on the cars. If I can't buy it off the showroom floor, it doesn't race. No aero packages, valances, spoilers, wings, or what-have-you. The body has to fit the manufacturer template.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Go back to absolutely stock bodies on the cars. If I can't buy it off the showroom floor, it doesn't race. No aero packages, valances, spoilers, wings, or what-have-you. The body has to fit the manufacturer template.
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That would be cool, but then how would you keep the cars on the track? Handling would be an issue, then of course safety, and most likely the sponsors would pull out.
 
Mopardh9 said:
That would be cool, but then how would you keep the cars on the track? Handling would be an issue, then of course safety, and most likely the sponsors would pull out.
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You just gave all the reasons this should be done. The cars stay on the track by slowing down. One thing many of the young drivers haven't figured out yet. Wrecking is not better than slowing down. Handling would be an issue. That would make for some darn fine racing. If you get your car good, you win, if you don't you get lapped ...many times. Much better than guys running 25th all day, get no tires while the best cars get 4 & win because of 10 cautions the last 30 laps. The cars could easily be made safe enough, because they are going slower.I think the manufacturers would love it. A REAL manufacturer battle like the old days, not these cars that are all the same w/ different labels on em. JMO.
 
Never work....all the money invested in the technology to make these cars go 200mph would not dissapear, Nascar bigwigs would never do this. I really think if i wanted to see that kind of racing i'd go to Stafford Speedway and watch the Dare Stocks. Strictly stock racing has its' place, but not on the straightway at Daytona!
 
That's interesting considering that strictly stock cars made Daytona what it is today. You're right that it would never happen, but this thread is what would you do if....I think it would be great. Good idea, TRL !!
 
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