A tale of two races (or maybe it’s that you just don’t get it)

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from Bob Margolis

Which NASCAR Sprint Cup race did you watch on Saturday night?

The much too-long, boring, single-file, no passing “snoozefest” that featured what some fans and media described as a mysterious late race caution? The one that was hammered on social media by both fans and media with words like “stinker” and much worse?

Or did you watch a 334 lap “save your stuff” challenge on a 1.5-mile track? The kind of race that we’ve come to expect this first year out with the new generation car? The car that even crew chief geniuses like Chad Knaus and Paul Wolfe are struggling to figure out? And veteran drivers like Jimmie Johnson, Matt Kenseth and Kevin Harvick have to fight to keep pointed in the right direction?

It was both embarrassing and ridiculous that so many NASCAR fans and media slammed the race on Twitter for its apparent lack of excitement. I’m not even sure if the word jaded applies here when describing their relentless negativity about the race, the not completely full grandstands and anything else they could comment about with their little minds.

I wonder if any of the 43 drivers who took the green flag would describe the race as a “stinker” or a “snoozefest.” Or any of the crew chiefs or any of the over-the-wall pit crew?

I admit that not every NASCAR Sprint Cup race holds the kind of edge of your seat excitement like we’ll see next week when the series races at Talladega. Or the kind of excitement we’ve come to expect at a short track like Bristol, Martinsville or Richmond.

Look, those of you who know me, know that I’ve never drunk the Kool Aid.

So when I say that those fans and others who thought Saturday night’s race was boring and made a point of expressing that opinion over and over again on social media simply don’t understand the sport and apparently don’t want to understand it.

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from Bob Margolis


So when I say that those fans and others who thought Saturday night’s race was boring and made a point of expressing that opinion over and over again on social media simply don’t understand the sport and apparently don’t want to understand it.

Read the rest here

Relentless negativity ? Isn't that the name of Andy's boat?
 
So when I say that those fans and others who thought Saturday night’s race was boring and made a point of expressing that opinion over and over again on social media simply don’t understand the sport and apparently don’t want to understand it.

Translation: Dear Andy.
 
"Or did you watch a 334 lap “save your stuff” challenge on a 1.5-mile track? The kind of race that we’ve come to expect this first year out with the new generation car?"

We've been watching this 'save your stuff' racing for years, not just THIS year with the new gen 6. :rolleyes: Where have you been?

Sorry Bob, you're the one who doesn't understand what's happening. If you did, you would see that's it's roll around momentum, don't touch my aero machine, aero push racing too often decided by something we can't see that's the problem.

Once again, it was last run excitement that was the must see part of the telecast that saved the day.
 
yepper..you have your forces for good and your forces for evil. Most of the cry babies thinking they are fans are simply negative forces with an agenda. most of them don't know that is what they are doing though.. oblivious. How many times a good show will appear on TV and by three or four years they have changed it so much it isn't worth watching. You think the France family is having fun trying to provide and carry on the family tradition with all this constant whine..this one want this, this one wants that..just SFU and appreciate the race will ya.
 
Real fans will watch & appreciate these races. Stink & ball fans will get bored after the first hour - except soccer fans.

If they don't like NASCAR don't watch it. Don't comment on it. We don't want to hear it anyway.
 
I'd like to snatch up about dozen of these twitter babies and throw them in the right seat at Charlotte and let the "ride around" at 180. And then make em sit is the stands with the poop in their britches and tweet away.
 
Real fans will watch & appreciate these races. Stink & ball fans will get bored after the first hour - except soccer fans.

If they don't like NASCAR don't watch it. Don't comment on it. We don't want to hear it anyway.

I've been watching Nascar since I was old enough to know what TV is. Just because someone doesn't think every race is the greatest thing ever doesn't mean they aren't "real" fans.
 
Real fans will watch & appreciate these races. Stink & ball fans will get bored after the first hour - except soccer fans.

If they don't like NASCAR don't watch it. Don't comment on it. We don't want to hear it anyway.
Real race fans go support their local track on a Saturday night instead of watching this marketing machine on TV.
 
Real race fans go support their local track on a Saturday night instead of watching this marketing machine on TV.
1. A lot of people don't have a close local track and/or can't afford to be there every weekend. For instance by local track is Darlington or Charlotte motor speedway & that's hours away. I'll watch the cup race every Sunday, just like millions others.
I've been watching Nascar since I was old enough to know what TV is. Just because someone doesn't think every race is the greatest thing ever doesn't mean they aren't "real" fans.
I said watch & appreciate, not watch and drool over its glory. If you like it, good for you. If for some reason you don't like it but continue to watch just for the sake of complaining about it, that's a personal problem.
 
from Bob Margolis

Which NASCAR Sprint Cup race did you watch on Saturday night?

The much too-long, boring, single-file, no passing “snoozefest” that featured what some fans and media described as a mysterious late race caution? The one that was hammered on social media by both fans and media with words like “stinker” and much worse?

Or did you watch a 334 lap “save your stuff” challenge on a 1.5-mile track? The kind of race that we’ve come to expect this first year out with the new generation car? The car that even crew chief geniuses like Chad Knaus and Paul Wolfe are struggling to figure out? And veteran drivers like Jimmie Johnson, Matt Kenseth and Kevin Harvick have to fight to keep pointed in the right direction?

It was both embarrassing and ridiculous that so many NASCAR fans and media slammed the race on Twitter for its apparent lack of excitement. I’m not even sure if the word jaded applies here when describing their relentless negativity about the race, the not completely full grandstands and anything else they could comment about with their little minds.

I wonder if any of the 43 drivers who took the green flag would describe the race as a “stinker” or a “snoozefest.” Or any of the crew chiefs or any of the over-the-wall pit crew?

I admit that not every NASCAR Sprint Cup race holds the kind of edge of your seat excitement like we’ll see next week when the series races at Talladega. Or the kind of excitement we’ve come to expect at a short track like Bristol, Martinsville or Richmond.

Look, those of you who know me, know that I’ve never drunk the Kool Aid.

So when I say that those fans and others who thought Saturday night’s race was boring and made a point of expressing that opinion over and over again on social media simply don’t understand the sport and apparently don’t want to understand it.

Read the rest here

Pure Bulll****, I understand Nascar just fine and that was the worst race of the year, we all know without the bogus caution JJ would of ran away with the victory. Please....is this guy working for Nascar???!!!
 
I'd like to snatch up about dozen of these twitter babies and throw them in the right seat at Charlotte and let the "ride around" at 180. And then make em sit is the stands with the poop in their britches and tweet away.
180 is nothing try 220
 
Pure Bulll****, I understand Nascar just fine and that was the worst race of the year, we all know without the bogus caution JJ would of ran away with the victory. Please....is this guy working for Nascar???!!!
No....he is trying to sugarcoat it, lets be honest here, the race sucked, save for 5 laps at the end.

Yeah let's be honest, all of that crap is just your opinion, you're entitled to it but it is still an opinion only, not fact.
 
There is no way to make every race competitive from start to finish. I try not to complain too much when some races are snoozers. In some cases, certain cars are on their game while the rest aren't. In other cases, the track isn't condusive to good racing.

Having said that, NASCAR is currently doing testing on some aero issues for the 2014 cars for the 1.5-mile tracks. Even they know those races could be better.
 
No....he is trying to sugarcoat it, lets be honest here, the race sucked, save for 5 laps at the end.

OK, you are right.

We need to go back to the leader winning by ten laps and hearing about it four days later when the racing paper comes in the mail.

Those were the good old days... :bsflag:
 
1. A lot of people don't have a close local track and/or can't afford to be there every weekend. For instance by local track is Darlington or Charlotte motor speedway & that's hours away. I'll watch the cup race every Sunday, just like millions others.
If you are "hours away" from Darlington and Charlotte, then you are well within range of a lot more. By "local tracks," i mean the kind that run every Friday or Saturday night, and don't cost but $10 - $15 to get in. A "real" race fan would know that there's a lot more to racing than those NASCAR tracks.
 
If you are "hours away" from Darlington and Charlotte, then you are well within range of a lot more. By "local tracks," i mean the kind that run every Friday or Saturday night, and don't cost but $10 - $15 to get in. A "real" race fan would know that there's a lot more to racing than those NASCAR tracks.

Sometimes even $20 a carload.
 
I will watch, and if parts of a race are boring, I know there will be parts that are exciting. It's the nature of the beast.
Good, bad, or indifferent --- I will watch.

As for patronizing local tracks, I would if I could. Nothing near me, and being an older female, I don't feel comfortable driving
home alone well after midnight.
 
I watched the race that nascar changed the outcome. This is not hard to figure out. I now what I SEE I don't need to come here to tell me what happen .Nascar didn't want jj to win going away.
 
I watched the race that nascar changed the outcome. This is not hard to figure out. I now what I SEE I don't need to come here to tell me what happen .Nascar didn't want jj to win going away.

That's just silly.

NASCAR did throw a phony caution to "help" better serve the finish and it did work in that aspect.

But NASCAR doesn't discriminate on who's leading at any particular time when they decide to go the "lets bunch up the field" route.

Without using my brain too hard I can tell of 3 different occasions when NASCAR threw a caution to bunch the guys up.


Dover with the questionable rubber way the hell down the racing groove.
Kansa with the funny decals coming off the wall that somehow deemed a caution to come out.
Charlotte with the caution for the debris no one else saw, including the NASCAR crewmen.

3 outcomes that affected the race winner in my opinion.
 
Without using my brain too hard I can tell of 3 different occasions when NASCAR threw a caution to bunch the guys up.

Well that's a load of bull****. I betcha my bottom dollar right now that if Earnhardt Jr. was leading the race on Saturday night, they wouldn't have thrown the caution and he would've won. The same goes for Ms. Patrick.
 
Well that's a load of bull****. I betcha my bottom dollar right now that if Earnhardt Jr. was leading the race on Saturday night, they wouldn't have thrown the caution and he would've won. The same goes for Ms. Patrick.

I'm agreeing with the notion that NASCAR throws cautions to help certain outcomes to come to be. Not sure why you're calling BS on that. I'm with you on this one.

If NASCAR really wanted Jimmie out of victory lane he wouldn't have as many wins as he has this year. Hell most of his wins have come on the benefit of the caution not coming out. He builds such big leads that its forcing NASCAR to throw cautions out of thin air. Jimmie just needs to dial it down abit and keep it interesting.

Really that's something that Jimmie should really do. Maintain the illusion of a close race even if its not.
 
Yeah let's be honest, all of that crap is just your opinion, you're entitled to it but it is still an opinion only, not fact.
Ok agreed opinion, but really how can you say that was a good race with a straight face???
 
I watched the race that nascar changed the outcome. This is not hard to figure out. I now what I SEE I don't need to come here to tell me what happen .Nascar didn't want jj to win going away.
Yep that is the way I saw it too, pretty obvious I thought.....again for those that think I am Mr.Negative, I have seen plenty of races this year that were exciting almost from start to finish. This wasn't one of them and Nascar had to "make" it that way at the end.
 
I'm agreeing with the notion that NASCAR throws cautions to help certain outcomes to come to be. Not sure why you're calling BS on that. I'm with you on this one.

If NASCAR really wanted Jimmie out of victory lane he wouldn't have as many wins as he has this year. Hell most of his wins have come on the benefit of the caution not coming out. He builds such big leads that its forcing NASCAR to throw cautions out of thin air. Jimmie just needs to dial it down abit and keep it interesting.

Really that's something that Jimmie should really do. Maintain the illusion of a close race even if its not.

If JJ has the best car and is leading going away by 3/4 of a lap he should be allowed to build on that and win, not be penalized by Nascar with a bogus caution that bunches the field. I don't have a problem with a driver dominating a race, I have a problem with the outcome being orchestrated by Nascar. This.....is one of the main reasons their credibility is going down the tubes!
 
If JJ has the best car and is leading going away by 3/4 of a lap he should be allowed to build on that and win, not be penalized by Nascar with a bogus caution that bunches the field. I don't have a problem with a driver dominating a race, I have a problem with the outcome being orchestrated by Nascar. This.....is one of the main reasons their credibility is going down the tubes!

Agreed.
 
If JJ has the best car and is leading going away by 3/4 of a lap he should be allowed to build on that and win, not be penalized by Nascar with a bogus caution that bunches the field. I don't have a problem with a driver dominating a race, I have a problem with the outcome being orchestrated by Nascar. This.....is one of the main reasons their credibility is going down the tubes!

Agreed with this 100%.
 
Nobody can argue with you three , you have the Nascar cheaters figured out .
 
1. A lot of people don't have a close local track and/or can't afford to be there every weekend. For instance by local track is Darlington or Charlotte motor speedway & that's hours away. I'll watch the cup race every Sunday, just like millions others.

Let me know whereabouts you live and I bet I could find several tracks within two hours. :)
 
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