A Whizzer rant

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What a race !!!! Really like Pocono with the three individual turns to contend with and nearly impossible to set up for. Flat turns, different angles and banking, designed to test a drivers mettle. But the fans don't like it. Pocono is boring !!!! They want a Bristol every week, or a Daytona / Talledega where the restrictor plates keep them close. But that is not racing, or at least not the way I grew up with it.

Today, the changes being made can be expressed in one word, they SUCK !!!!!

What the dickens is this points system. As of the last race on August 1, 2004, only two drivers are within 400 points of leader, Jimmy Johnson. Yet the remaining seven teams in the top ten continue to be eligible to run for the championship. And that too, SUCKS !!!!!!! So much for busting your azz the first part of the season.

It beats me why a team in the top ten, yet more than 400 points out of first place, be given a fresh start with the
biggest deficit 50 points behind the leader??
They did not earn it.

Brian France and NASCAR, I do not like it. It might raise television ratings, but there are some things more important than television ratings.

The green/ white/ checker finish ??? Rusty is right !!!! It is a receipe for disaster and torn up race cars. The Earnhardt, Jr. fans got their wish after Talledega and helped create this particular monster.
Irony would be a G/W/C finish and Junior becoming a victim of the change demanded by his fans. What will happen then ??
Will the Earnhardt, Jr., fans can throw more crap on the track and ask NASCAR to change the rule again ??? There was nothing wrong with the red flag rule to begin with.

How about the "lucky dog" pass ??? Ryan Newman, a talented driver, would never have finished thirteenth, no matter his skill, had it not been for the new rule. What kind of crap is this giving a driver something he did not earn??? If a driver wants a lap back, he should earn it. There should be no free lunch. America was built on earning your own way.

Someone mentioned shortening the races on another thread.
Another sore spot.
The five hundred miles at Pocono are a real test of the driver, teams and equipment, and strategies, something that doesn't happen too often in shorter races. All of these things should be tested just as we all need to be pushed to our limits at times.

Cutting the race times and distances are a throwback to the age of "new fans". The ones who like the excitement of the crash, the shorter races as it entertains the one hour and forty-five minute time span psychologists tell us is our time frame for a spectator activity. The changes are made for the "I want it now" yuppie group and if you don't agree, you fall into the category with the "yuppie, I want it now" group.

Go ahead, voice your opinion, give it your best shot.
Something tells me, 90% of those who read this have been fans for less than ten years and fewer than 1%, twenty-five years or more.

The time frames mentioned of being a race fan do not include when your Pappy took you to your first race at the age of three or four.

We're talking an age where you understood racing was something other than picking a favorite driver because you liked the color or number on the car.
The comprehension sinks in about the age of fourteen or fifteen when the fan understands what it is that takes place before, during and after a race. And why.

The old Whizzer is bitter and angry. This is a sport that was built on strength, dering-do, hard times and fun. The newer generation has wanted change because they never understood it in the first place. Wonder what the next "yuppie, DINK or WASP" thing will be ???

Before anyone either tells me or asks, I admit to being an old fart. I can accept most changes.
But not these changes.
They were made for the wrong reasons.

:bounce:
 
Been a fan for well over 25 years. Couldn't agree with you more. The new system bites, and many of us know precisely why it exists.

It's as close to scripted as it can get.
 
I've been a fan of racing for over 20 years.

Has a friend whose family ran at the local dirt track when i was in High School and I even ran a couple of races (poorly) myself.

I'm not a fan of Dale Earnhardt Jr inparticular (I don't dislike him, just I picked my fav - Ricky Rudd - a long time ago). I've been calling for g/w/c finishes for a long time.

If the drivers can't handle the pressure, then they will tear up a lot of race cars. But the responsibility is in the drivers hands.

I'm not going to going into all the other issues presented, but suffice it to so that at least one veteran fan doesn't agree with most of points of view presented here..
 
It should not matter if a person is a Dale Earnhardt, Junior, fan or not.

The change of G/W/C was made AFTER the events at Talledega by a group of angry fans of one given driver.

The change was made by NASCAR for the WRONG reason and cast suspicion of a conspiracy by NASCAR. Whether the charges stick or not is in the eyes of the beholder.

Tony is correct in stating the drivers have the ultimate responsibility to avoid an accident and suck up the pressures. Save a few, most do and do it well.

IMO, the rule change SUCKS, and there was no thought it was because of attempting to assist Earnhardt, Jr., through favoritism or in his run for the championship.
The facts are there and speak volumes to the events and change that followed shortly thereafter.
 
You forgot one.... take away the speedlimit on pit road. :rolleyes:
 
Suffice it to say, Whizzer, I am not a 20+ year racing fan, but I can honestly say that I DID NOT pick my favorite driver because he was "cute, sexy, handsome, drives a Chevy or Ford, etc............." I actually picked my first favorite driver based on his sponsor.

As to the racing at Pocono, it usually is a somewhat boring with very little passing on the track. Yesterday's race was alot better than some of the previous ones there!

I absolutely DO NOT agree with the changing of the points system to this C4C crap! I did feel that the WINNER of each race deserved to receive more points than the second place finisher, but in NO WAY did I ever expect them to change the rule that drastically.

Now, as for the G/W/C, I really don't see that it such a bad change. It still is NOT a guarantee for a green flag finish.
 
I abhore, loathe, and detest the C4C !!! And, I don't like it, either. ROTFL

I'm reserving my opinion on G/W/C --- I personally think it could be a recipe for disaster, but I'm going to wait and see how it's handled.

Whizzer, count me in as an old fart. :)
 
Originally posted by Tabasco@Aug 2 2004, 06:03 PM
You forgot one.... take away the speedlimit on pit road. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: No concession on that rule. :D It is a safety rule. As much as I enjoyed the days when thunder road was the same as pit road, a calamity in the making every time a car raced down pit road.

Changes for safety are easier to accept than changes to increase television ratings or pacify new fans. I fought the first changes when they went from stock to specialized frames and wheels.

If the G/W/C turns out to be a non-disaster event, in one respect, that is a good thing. But the issue is not whether any one individual is right or wrong on the topic.

The issue of all the recent rule changes center around the integrity of the sport. And safety. They should not be based on the whimsey of disgruntled fans seeking better entertainment or excitement.

TexasRaceLady, not sure you qualify as an O.F.. You are always a lady first and race fan second. Somehow, being the old fart doesn't seem to fit your profile.

With me, it's a good fit as there are things that need to be said. My posts are always open to good discussion and logical dissenting opinions. Just as long as it never gets personal. :cheers:
 
The issue of all the recent rule changes center around the integrity of the sport. And safety. They should not be based on the whimsey of disgruntled fans seeking better entertainment or excitement.

100% agreement from my end, Whizzer.

As for being an O.F. --- maybe you should ask some of my former students. But, then again, maybe they had worse names for me. LOL
 
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, count me in with TRL!!!!! And yep,
I am an old F___!!!!! Older than dirt, might say. LOL
I just happen to agree again with Whizzer and TRL's comments.

Gonna hafta watch that, Whizzer!!!!! LOL
 
Been a Dale Jarrett fan since he first drove that Joe Gibbs Chevy Lumina to victory lane at the Daytona 500. Was really fun watching Ned Jarrett commentate it. It was coined the 'Dale and Dale Show' .
Don't agree with Mr.France trying to make it more 'exciting' with C4C . it's like those teams 700 points back in the top ten get a break when they didn't earn it.
G/W/C is really something that is good for the fans but it shows you when 'certain' fans do what they want( throw cans onto the track) NASCAR will respond . Hey NASCAR this BUD's for you. Don't agree with the finishing under green because the person at the end of the day that finished firt earns that win. shouldn't let someone get a second chance and make it the Daytona 505
Yea the 'lucky dog' pass is another new rule that benefits the driver that's the first in position a lap down. No driver should be given laps to them by NASCAR which showed when a few drivers can win the race with this new rule(i'm sure someone will win it one day). Yes Brian Frances' idea of trying to 'spice' up the sport hasn't worked on me so far. If all Mr. France wanted was better T.V. ratings he has that. Sponserships are at a many in NASCAR. And you have many new USAC, Bucsh ,Truck drivers coming in , which attract more fans. France i believe failed in his new rule-changes to make NASCAR more fun but if the fans get mad expect another rule change by NASCAR.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@Aug 2 2004, 12:14 PM
Today, the changes being made can be expressed in one word, they SUCK !!!!!

Brian France and NASCAR, I do not like it. It might raise television ratings, but there are some things more important than television ratings.

How about the "lucky dog" pass ??? Ryan Newman, a talented driver, would never have finished thirteenth, no matter his skill, had it not been for the new rule. What kind of crap is this giving a driver something he did not earn??? If a driver wants a lap back, he should earn it. There should be no free lunch. America was built on earning your own way.
I have to disagree with some of your rants..

The changes being made are changes that are trying to improve the sport as the years pass. This isn't 1975 anymore... changes need to take place. You may not like Brian France, but he is doing just fine in my books, and i've been a fan for over 12 years. He is doing what he thinks is best for the sport, and I see no problem with that. Most of you probably won't agree, but changing the points system was a great idea! It does exactly what it is suppose to do.... Take the top10 drivers and let them race for the title. They earned their way in.. so why not let them have a sniff of the championship? And speaking of earning things... that turns me to my next subject...

Ryan Newman DID earn his laps back! He did what he needed to do in order to get them back, so what gives the idea that he didn't earn themt? He raced, he fought for the position, so i'm my books.. he earned it! I don't know about you, but i'd rather see a driver get a lap back this way instead of seeing someone get seriously injured by racing back to the line.

Just my .02¢
 
Originally posted by Tabasco@Aug 2 2004, 06:03 PM
You forgot one.... take away the speedlimit on pit road. :rolleyes:
NO way should the speed limit be changed, i was there, in bill elloitts pit the day mike rich was killed.

GREAT POST WHIZZER !! been a fan for more than 25 years, and i have just about had enough of nastycars: :bslfag:
 
QUOTE from Slick-Nick 8-03-04 4:47pm:
Take the top10 drivers and let them race for the title. They earned their way in.. so why not let them have a sniff of the championship? QUOTE]

You got part of it right anyway.
But they DID NOT EARN ANYTHING.
They are getting a gift from NASCAR for finishing in the top ten. There are seven cars (7, count'em, seven) more than 400 points from the leader and they are going to get a "freebie" to fight for the championship when they have not shown championship form for the better part of two-thirds of the season?????

The part you did get right is giving them a "sniff" of the championship.
A "sniff" is all they should get. No a second chance to pass "GO" and collect any reward for hard luck or incompetance. This does not make champions. Champions are made through consistent hard work. Not ten races of hard work.

Whether anyone agrees or disagrees, it is always good to see others express their opinion in a sensible manner. :D
 
Whizzer, I said the same things some weeks ago. Just not as eloquently. As to the G/W/C, I'm agin'it, but if we are going to have this abomination then it should be unlimited in number. After all if the purpose is to end under green why artificially limit it to just 1. I know everyone will point to the trucks a couple weeks ago but that is an anomaly not the norm. As in everything, including the changes Brian is making, follow the money. That will answer all of your questions about why something is done.
Oh, and as to Ryan and the "lucky dog", he's on record as being against it as well.
 
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