am i right?

Lap3Forever

Lap3Forever

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Mar 8, 2002
Messages
11,460
Points
518
Location
Murray, Kentucky
if ford and dodge are there own cars then why did nascar let them use te chevy templates?

it hood, hoof and deck lid are stock. why is the fords hoos six in longer then the stock ford hood?

i belive the ford and dodge are 4 door car.....ohh but nascar lets them have 2 doors

this is not from lappys mind. it is from my dads. who has been around racing before most of you were born. i know what some of you are going to say. but all we have to say is look at the nascar's then look at the stock. the ford and dodge dont look that stock. the chevy dont eather but it is closer then the orther 2.
 
To stop the bickering and fighting between the makes of cars?
 
That's why I support the idea of Nascar setting common templates for each car maker, but just letting them use their marque on the front. The bodies are so similar anyway, it wouldn't really matter if the bodies were the same. It's what under the hood that should make the difference.
 
Rules concessions, common templates, restrictor plates, and aero packages all are an effort to level the playing field for all makes. Soon we'll be seeing an IROC style of car for every team.:( Just the decals and paint scheme will be different. It's been a long time since any particular car manufacturer made a difference in a team's winning or losing. Sorry, I don't buy into the Chevy having an advantage over Ford who has the advantage over Pontiac and Dodge, poor guys, are so far disadvantaged that they will never catch up. It's all an illusion........NASCAR keeps it that way so folks can argue about Fords winning dispite being at a disadvantage (you can substitute any make you desire.:) ) It also gives teams an excuse to bit** and complain about a two inch kick out on the front valance.:D

If you haven't guess it, I don't like the common template crap. I wish NASCAR would quit with the parity stuff.......if one make is so much better than the others then let the manufacturers take care of it (or let the teams go to a better make). Guess I am thankful NASCAR hasn't dictated a huge pool of mechanics, crew chiefs and owners for the different drivers to draw from for each race.:) But, on the other hand, it would make it harder for fans to argue that one driver only won the Championship (or race) because Chevy was so much better, and that almost constitutes cheating.:D
 
All i can say on this subject is that money talks, all the whining by the different makes get tiresome. Sure it would be great if we could go back to the 70s when the cars looked more "stock". In reality they aren't and money and big business will dictate where this sport is going. Nascar used to have a saying: "win on sunday sell on monday". Meaning that when a certain car make won a race on sunday sales for that make would increase on the following monday. So we have a bunch of cars circling the track that look like Taureses,big deal! It still takes a good mechanic,a good crew chief, a good team , and a good driver to win....that is what it is all about.
 
Originally posted by Lap3Forever
if ford and dodge are there own cars then why did nascar let them use te chevy templates?

it hood, hoof and deck lid are stock. why is the fords hoos six in longer then the stock ford hood?

i belive the ford and dodge are 4 door car.....ohh but nascar lets them have 2 doors ....
Click to expand...

OK. Before we go too far into this, let's just ask a couple of questions.

1. What car forced the need for templates in the first place?

2. Why?

3. What were the templates derived from?

4. Which manufacturer was the first to get acceptance of templates which had little or nothing to do with the show room car?

5. Which car was it?

6. Which manufacturer learned from that experience and will never forget?

7. What car is the "standard template" based on?
 
Originally posted by Windsor377
OK.  Before we go too far into this, let's just ask a couple of questions.

1.  What car forced the need for templates in the first place?

2.  Why?

3.  What were the templates derived from?

4.  Which manufacturer was the first to get acceptance of templates which had little or nothing to do with the show room car?

5.  Which car was it?

6.  Which manufacturer learned from that experience and will never forget?

7.  What car is the "standard template" based on?
Click to expand...

8. Am I the only person who noticed that the original Lumina was a carbon copy of a certain red Thunderbird no one could catch?
 
So? What's the point?

*if this was bait, I just took it*:ROFLMFAO:
 
No bait Wrangler. Just a lesson for folks living in glass houses. NASCAR being one big glass house and us fans being the occupants.
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
8.  Am I the only person who noticed that the original Lumina was a carbon copy of a certain red Thunderbird no one could catch?
Click to expand...

I always thought so from the front, but not so much from the rear.
 
Originally posted by Windsor377
No bait Wrangler.  Just a lesson for folks living in glass houses.  NASCAR being one big glass house and us fans being the occupants.
Click to expand...

I was curious about TWF's post.......your's I understood.:)
 
Oh, sorry. Hope your Holiday's have been good to you and yours!
 
They have been Windsor.........thanks. Hope yours was the same.:D
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
8.  Am I the only person who noticed that the original Lumina was a carbon copy of a certain red Thunderbird no one could catch?
Click to expand...

i just dont see it
 
Originally posted by Windsor377
I always thought so from the front, but not so much from the rear.
Click to expand...

Yeah, well, not many people ever saw one from the rear either...:ROFLMFAO:
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
Yeah, well, not many people ever saw one from the rear either...:ROFLMFAO:
Click to expand...

LMAO!!! Oooh that's bad!!!!
 
Originally posted by Windsor377
...hmmm, 89 to 94.
Click to expand...

TWF if it was a carbon copy then it sure was mutch better.

89 rusty
90 earnhardt
91 earnhardt
92 kulwicki
93 earnhardt
94 earnhardt

thats a 66% champ
 
I found something that puts what I feel is a rather unbiased perspective on all this manufacturer stuff. Of course it also happens to be pretty much how I feel about the whole arguement.:)

http://www.freewebz.com/gofastleft/

That link will take you to the home page. In the left panel you will see a topic "Manufacturer Battle". Pass your cursor over it and you will get options for 1998 thru 2002. Go to 2002 and you get the author's explanation of how he came up with his numbers. Quite interesting.:D

BTW, that site has some pretty good information on other things NASCAR too.:)
 
1. What car forced the need for templates in the first place?

2. Why?
Click to expand...

i got the cheating in nascar book by tom jensen, i talks about this, i believe it said first templates were in the mid to late 60's, i think it was just cause the teams started to figure out aerodynamics, so the were reshaping the car, smokey yunick actually built a 15/16ths chevelle, then i believe fo the 500 the following year they had templates
 
Rules are necessary........templates are necessary.:) If there's a rule, someone will push it to limit and gain something......then someone will push it a little past the limit to regain something. And on and on.......:) . There is really nothing wrong with all that.......just makes rules needing some tweaking once in a while.:) But, that's a team cheating........if the manufacturer would actually produce the "15/16" Chevelle that you mention, then it isn't cheating:) If it's a team changing the manufacturer's design then NASCAR should penalize heavily........if it's the manufacturer changing manufacturer designs then let the other makes change or suffer the disadvantage.:) That way the manufacturer points battle would have some meaning......the way it is now, it's just :bs:

So, cheer your favorite manufacturer all you want.........but you're cheering an illusion.:) That also goes to booing your least favorite manufacturer.
 
if the manufacturer would actually produce the "15/16" Chevelle that you mention, then it isn't cheating If it's a team changing the manufacturer's design then NASCAR should penalize heavily
Click to expand...

well smokey downsized the car not the manufacturer, but the thing is, at the time it wasnt "cheating", there was no template then, then when they did make the templates, it was for the length of the car, smokey was smart again, and narrowed the car, producing less drag again. he was a smart man, if your interested in nascar, i would pick this book up, its a very good read.
 
Sounds like a pretty good book. But just amplifies the need for rules. Tweaking the rules to produce parity is not what templates should be about.:)
 
You know, there was a time when steam would vent from my ears just thinking about the scale model Chevelle. Now I just get a big old laugh out of it.

It sure as heck really wasn't cheating and in hind sight think the car should have been deemed legal, given the rules as they were stated.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom