Another mall shooting...

And here comes the gun control crap - minutes in to breaking news coverage - from MSNBC. :rolleyes:

Here's my official response:

BREAKING NEWS: Maryland has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country.
 
"We need an assault weapons ban"

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"We need to pass more gun reforms that will prevent these types of tragedies"

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I think congress needs to do something about malls. People obviously can not be trusted to congregate in such large numbers of people. This simply makes it too convenient for wanna be mass shooters. They need to step up now!
 
This particular a**hole shot up a Zumiez. He has a problem with Teens and Twenty-something's apparently.


What a coward.
 
"If you like your gun you can keep your gun". Oops wrong discussion. But seriously this seems to be a murder suicide. MSNBC should wait for the facts to develope before reporting them anyways. Sad for the families of those who where murdered.
 
On the flip side, I kept hearing FOX News saying that this wouldn't have happened if there were armed guards or armed police officers there.

The police were on the scene within 90 seconds of the shooting which tells me they were probably already at the Columbia Mall when the incident went down. And this wasn't a random "kill as many people as you can" event - the dude clearly had targets and went in there and killed them. Also, given the size of that mall and how many people go there, I find it impossible to believe there wasn't anyone there who didn't have a CCW.

Also heard stuff about shooters pick their targets solely because they're gun free zones and "they don't shoot up police stations". No, they choose their targets because of emotional connections, because they have an intended target or, in the case of the Newtown shooter, because they're just looking to commit the most heinous act possible.

The concealed carry and "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" people are just as bad, if not worse, about exploiting tragedy.
 
Because Maryland has some of the toughest laws just to purchase a gun legally. Trying to get a concealed carry permit takes months.

Don't tell me they don't "shoot up police stations".

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/25/detectives-injured-in-ambush-shooting-outside-police-station/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/24/us/24detroit.html?_r=0

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-08-va-police-shooting_x.htm

This guy went into the store with the intention of killing at least the girl. He was an avid skater and this was a skating store. The news saying there is no connection is bullcrap.

I'm finding it hard to believe FOX said that about armed guards and police officer being there.

On the flip side, http://bugnews.bloggieblog.com/5343/5343.html/#.UuZ55dIo5kg

You can figure out what kind of site that is on your own.
 
fergy1370 said:
I'm finding it hard to believe FOX said that about armed guards and police officer being there.
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Well, FNC did say that, during their breaking coverage before the 2pm hour (which was when I flipped over to the Rolex 24 race).

Both sides are equally guilty in politicizing the gun debate.
 
fergy1370 said:
I'll definitely give you that...
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We're destined for The Podium anyways so I'll just say it. I think a lot of the pro-gun people hurt their cause a lot more than they help it. There are people who want to outright ban guns or regulate them to the point that it's illegal to defend yourself. But let's look at Columbia. The pro-gun crowd seems to think that some skater with a gun could've "prevented" this shooting. The shooter in this case shot two people whom he apparently knew - store employees if I read correctly - and then shot himself. He went there with that explicit intent. The whole incident probably went down in all of 10 seconds. It took police 90 seconds to arrive. That's more than adequate. The "what ifs" just don't add up here.

As for the "things" MSNBC said -- Maryland already has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. It's damn near impossible to get a CCW permit there now. They have the assault weapons ban MSNBC was screeching about. They have the background checks MSNBC was screeching about. They have waiting periods. And this still happened. So, MSNBC chose to ignore the facts, ignore state level politics, and start blaming Republicans in Congress for not acting on gun safety. My head could've exploded watching that ****show.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
We're destined for The Podium anyways so I'll just say it. I think a lot of the pro-gun people hurt their cause a lot more than they help it. There are people who want to outright ban guns or regulate them to the point that it's illegal to defend yourself. But let's look at Columbia. The pro-gun crowd seems to think that some skater with a gun could've "prevented" this shooting. The shooter in this case shot two people whom he apparently knew - store employees if I read correctly - and then shot himself. He went there with that explicit intent. The whole incident probably went down in all of 10 seconds. It took police 90 seconds to arrive. That's more than adequate. The "what ifs" just don't add up here.

As for the "things" MSNBC said -- Maryland already has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. It's damn near impossible to get a CCW permit there now. They have the assault weapons ban MSNBC was screeching about. They have the background checks MSNBC was screeching about. They have waiting periods. And this still happened. So, MSNBC chose to ignore the facts, ignore state level politics, and start blaming Republicans in Congress for not acting on gun safety. My head could've exploded watching that ****show.
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You make some good points here, Andy. Some people are just bent on perpetrating evil acts upon certain people. There is little or nothing that can be done about it if it is carried out quickly and efficiently. The only thing a CCW holder likely could have done prevent it from escalating to include many others. Fortunately, in this case, it didn't so that is kind of a moot point.
 
No reason for this to go to The Podium...it should stay civil

If some pro-gun advocates would simmer down, it would make things a lot easier for them to get their side out, just as some anti-gunners should. Strapping an AR-15 across your back and walking into Starbucks (which I have seen) "just because you can" is stupid. If you want to walk around with a pistol on your hip, more power to you. Just don't be a jackass about it and don't draw attention to yourself with the intent of capturing the incident on video and making an ass out of everyone involved.

I really don't know why you would want to open carry if you had the choice to conceal your weapon anyway. But to each his own.

It anti-gunners would educate themselves about the weapons, they may actually have a little bit more of an argument. But when you sound like this guy, and his followers are just as ignorant, you just look foolish....

 
fergy1370 said:
No reason for this to go to The Podium...it should stay civil

If some pro-gun advocates would simmer down, it would make things a lot easier for them to get their side out, just as some anti-gunners should. Strapping an AR-15 across your back and walking into Starbucks (which I have seen) "just because you can" is stupid. If you want to walk around with a pistol on your hip, more power to you. Just don't be a jackass about it and don't draw attention to yourself with the intent of capturing the incident on video and making an ass out of everyone involved.

I really don't know why you would want to open carry if you had the choice to conceal your weapon anyway. But to each his own.

It anti-gunners would educate themselves about the weapons, they may actually have a little bit more of an argument. But when you sound like this guy, and his followers are just as ignorant, you just look foolish....

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Yeah, I saw this video the other day. I wish I could say I was shocked, but most politicians are pretty clueless.
 
Benevolent One said:
You make some good points here, Andy. Some people are just bent on perpetrating evil acts upon certain people. There is little or nothing that can be done about it if it is carried out quickly and efficiently. The only thing a CCW holder likely could have done prevent it from escalating to include many others. Fortunately, in this case, it didn't so that is kind of a moot point.
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fergy1370 said:
No reason for this to go to The Podium...it should stay civil

If some pro-gun advocates would simmer down, it would make things a lot easier for them to get their side out, just as some anti-gunners should. Strapping an AR-15 across your back and walking into Starbucks (which I have seen) "just because you can" is stupid. If you want to walk around with a pistol on your hip, more power to you. Just don't be a jackass about it and don't draw attention to yourself with the intent of capturing the incident on video and making an ass out of everyone involved.

I really don't know why you would want to open carry if you had the choice to conceal your weapon anyway. But to each his own.

It anti-gunners would educate themselves about the weapons, they may actually have a little bit more of an argument. But when you sound like this guy, and his followers are just as ignorant, you just look foolish....

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The pro-gun crowd consists of way too many internet superheroes who can type up heroic what-if scenarios where they could take out a shooter ... in a dark, smoky movie theater ... in half a second ... without ever seeing their intended target ... because they did it on a videogame or practiced on the range once or twice. So many of the what-if scenarios I've seen typed up about how someone could've prevented Sandy Hook or Aurora are so grandiose and, to be honest, unlikely.

I know everyone wants to prevent these massacres. Nobody likes this stuff. But maybe, just maybe, we all need to let logic prevail and realize that no law could've prevented some of these shootings. Gun laws are great and all, too bad criminals don't obey laws. Concealed carry is also great but there are a lot of people who don't have the desire to or feel the need to carry a gun on them anywhere and everywhere they go. Personally, some of these "concealed carry" people who talk a lot on the internet scare the crap out of me. They seem like the person who would pull out a gun and unload on someone in public if they got startled.

Take Aurora for example. I've heard former military snipers say that they wouldn't have been able to take James Holmes out in the situation that was presented. But I'm supposed to believe that some random dude who's experience comes down to shooting a deer in the woods could've prevented that whole situation with simplistic ease? As for carrying weapons in movie theaters, Curtis Reeves screwed that up for the rest of the country.

As for people who carry an AR-15 on their back in public "because they can", they're complete idiots who scare the crap out of me as well - simply because they're either extremely stupid or extremely paranoid.
 
don't think it is about the "gun" most of the time, it is about our broken mental health system that nobody wants to talk about, they are all focused on the gun.. much simpler than looking at what the problem really is. We have closed almost all of our mental health care facilities for long term care, reduced it to emergency room care with no follow up or prison for the violent mental patients, who eventually get out. While they are in prison they get meds for their condition and most do pretty well, but when they are released, there isn't any medical help, or medications. Whole thing is pretty stupid. Insurance is a joke, they don't pay hardly anything. Of late, they have cut even more money for mental health care out of the budget so I don't expect these random shootings by delusional mental people to lessen I am sorry to say.
 
I think social media and the internet play a part also. Now they get famous instantly. I don't remember mass random shootings when I was younger.
 
StandOnIt said:
don't think it is about the "gun" most of the time, it is about our broken mental health system that nobody wants to talk about, they are all focused on the gun.. much simpler than looking at what the problem really is. We have closed almost all of our mental health care facilities for long term care, reduced it to emergency room care with no follow up or prison for the violent mental patients, who eventually get out. While they are in prison they get meds for their condition and most do pretty well, but when they are released, there isn't any medical help, or medications. Whole thing is pretty stupid. Insurance is a joke, they don't pay hardly anything. Of late, they have cut even more money for mental health care out of the budget so I don't expect these random shootings by delusional mental people to lessen I am sorry to say.
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That's a bigger issue than many want to address. Just look at the people who have been elected since these people have been allowed to run free. Just kidding, mostly. Seriously though. When I was younger there were many people who were committed to long term mental care facilities. It seemed pretty cruel to a lot of people and obviously most of those places weren't exactly the Ritz, but many people simply lack the basic skills needed to function outside of a home like that. There are many reasons for their struggles, some are self induced by drug use and other factors, but the fact remains that these people need help and when they don't get it, they pose a threat to themselves and others.
 
This will continue as long as political agendas take precedence over common sense in the minds of people.

How about some compassion and sympathy for the victims/families in place of critiquing media coverage.
 
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