Beyond the Flag

Fireball Roberts
Joe Weatherly
Tim Flock
From the above list ,all three should non negotiably be in the 2014 class . Roberts or Weatherly should have entered prior to Wallace for 2013.

For the final two spots, I would happy with any of the following:

Jack Ingram
Bobby Isaac
Ray Fox
Curtis Turner
Smokie Yunick

Brian shouldnt be on the selection committee as long his granny is a nomimee, which should be forever cause there is an infinite list of more worthy candidates.
If we must get in a groundbreaking first-Jane, then go with Louise Smith, even Janet Guthrie, or even Linda Vaughn would get my vote before her (misses France, a self explanatory description of the candidates merit for HOF consideration).

Ridiculous and what's next, putting the old France outhouse on Glory road? A fine individual but by no fault of her own doesn't deserve the HOF backlash. Just open a damn book keepers hall, it would be more appropriate.
I don't mean to be harsh, but the committee shouldn't push such idiocy and subject her memory to the ridiculous consideration. They are in practice the breath of a France hemmorrhroid.
 
The only problem with Yunick & Turner is the fact that they had some major issues with NASCAR. Turner was banned & I believe Bill Sr. pulled a gun on him once. Smokey said late in the 90's that Bill Jr. & Brian are a couple of dumbasses. lol I agree with you about if we are going to put a woman in, it should be Louise Smith or Janet Guthrie & not France.

When it comes to Rusty, I can think of a lot of people that deserve to be in before him. When he was wasn't winning, he was either whining or talking like his son Steven could walk on water.
 
Nick DeGroot said:
The only problem with Yunick & Turner is the fact that they had some major issues with NASCAR. Turner was banned & I believe Bill Sr. pulled a gun on him once. Smokey said late in the 90's that Bill Jr. & Brian are a couple of dumbasses. lol I agree with you about if we are going to put a woman in, it should be Louise Smith or Janet Guthrie & not France.

When it comes to Rusty, I can think of a lot of people that deserve to be in before him. When he was wasn't winning, he was either whining or talking like his son Steven could walk on water.
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I think Rusty was great and Hall worthy, I just saw him as 2014 or 15, after Weatherly and Roberts. But that is just my opinion and for disclosure I never saw the two race. I was only a year old when Roberts the last of the two had his fatal crash.

As for Turner and Yunick I admit the politics is/wasn't on their side, but some 50 years later should soften the grudge. Maybe they will get in by 2020.

Edit typo Corrected last paragraph to Turner (not Roberts)
 
Yunick's issue actually happened about 10 years ago. I hope they can put their petty differences to the side & realize that he is more than worthy to go into the HOF.
 
Nick DeGroot said:
Yunick's issue actually happened about 10 years ago. I hope they can put their petty differences to the side & realize that he is more than worthy to go into the HOF.
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I thought the 7/8s car and related stuff was the issue, I didnt realize there was more to the story
 
I also feel that Rusty, while a viable candidate for the HOF, was installed before other more noteworthy and deserving candidates. I think his TV presence helped in his case.

Junior Johnson is in (with his still, BTW) and if that cheatin' SOB (just kidding, I absolutely adore Junior Johnson) is in the HOF, Smokey should be installed, and with great fanfare!

Hell, I would even submit Tim Richmond before Rusty! Obviously, Tim did not have the opportunity to really show what he was capable of. He likely would be the owner of one or more of Dale's 7 titles had he not become infected with HIV. He was only 34 when he died. His name is in the International Motorsports HOF (enshrined in 2002) and he was named one of NASCAR's 50 all-time greatest drivers in 1998. He was a true game-changer!
 
Yes, Richmond would have been something great, but I'm not sure you reward someone a Hall Of Fame spot anytime soon based on "what might have been". 13 wins and 185 starts isn't exact HoF statistics.
 
Well, Richmond changed the world of NASCAR off the track. It was all good 'ol country boys from the South. Tim Richmond was a richy, wild eyed racer with a party guy personality from Cali. He brought Hollywood to NASCAR & ushered in the era of drivers we see today.
 
Tim Richmond isn't eligible for the HOF unless they change the rules. To be eligible as a driver you have to have competed in NASCAR for a minimum of 10 years.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Tim Richmond isn't eligible for the HOF unless they change the rules. To be eligible as a driver you have to have competed in NASCAR for a minimum of 10 years.
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I was not aware of that rule. So he can be among the 50 greatest NASCAR drivers of all time but still be exluded from the HOF? hmmm...

breatheoflife said:
As much as everyone complains about how the drivers have no personalities, maybe this is why he shouldn't see the HoF? :D
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Or maybe that's the main reason why he SHOULD! He DID have personality, unlike many of the highly-schooled "representatives" we see today. Tim was never a corporate-speak talking head. He was much more than a pretty rich boy. That man could DRIVE! Especially on road courses. I recall him challenging Petty and all the others at Riverside International Raceway in SoCal (RIP, RIR) He was one of the many reasons that NASCAR became a National sport as opposed to the Regional sport it had been prior to his defection from Indy Cars.
 
robbybee said:
I was not aware of that rule. So he can be among the 50 greatest NASCAR drivers of all time but still be exluded from the HOF? hmmm...
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I'm not sure of the 50 greatest of all time list. It sounds like a ESPN type thing to me but as far as the HOF goes.

The NASCAR Hall of Fame Induction Process

Each year five inductees will be selected by a voting panel consisting of NASCAR industry leaders, manufacturer representatives, former competitors, the media and fans. Inductees will be chosen from an annual list of no more than 25 candidates. The main criteria for nomination and induction: NASCAR accomplishments and contributions to the sport.
To be eligible
  • Former drivers must have competed 10 years in NASCAR and be retired from racing for a minimum of three years.
  • Non-drivers must have worked at least 10 years in the industry. (Potential candidates with shorter careers may be considered if there are special circumstances.)
After a 21-member nominating committee selects its list of candidates, the voting will entail a total of 53 ballots. Twenty-one ballots will be from the nominating committee; 31 ballots will come from a group consisting of former drivers, former owners, former crew chiefs, manufacturer representatives and media; one ballot will represent the results of a nationwide fan vote.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm not sure of the 50 greatest of all time list. It sounds like a ESPN type thing to me but as far as the HOF goes.
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It's a list that was put together by NASCAR panelists 15 years ago to celebrate their 50th anniversary. The list would look much different today I'm sure, that's why I hate the "he was on the list" argument. Sure, he was 15 years ago. Doesn't mean he would be today. (Not specifically talking about Richmond, just any driver in general).
 
My whole point in bringing up the name of Tim Richmond was really just a response to the induction of Rusty Wallace into the HOF. While Crusty may be deserving of consideration, there are others who were/are more deserving of the honor, IMO.

Does Tim deserve to be in the HOF? Probably not. But he was one hell of a driver!

For any of you who might be NBA fans, it's similar to the stories of Bernard King and Grant Hill. Two NBA Ballers who had all of the necessary tools and talents to become Hall of Fame inductees, but due to circumstances beyond their control, will never achieve that honor. There are similar examples in every sport.
 
With that rule of 10 years in the sport that I was not aware of, legends like Alan Kulwicki and Davey Allison are BARELY eligible! Although, they must make exceptions because Red Byron is one of the 25 nominees but he only raced for three years & only 15 total races.
 
Nick DeGroot said:
With that rule of 10 years in the sport that I was not aware of, legends like Alan Kulwicki and Davey Allison are BARELY eligible! Although, they must make exceptions because Red Byron is one of the 25 nominees but he only raced for three years & only 15 total races.
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Their rules stated that (Potential candidates with shorter careers may be considered if there are special circumstances.) I think it was his entry into the US Army and subsequent injuries that he sustained that they felt he was eligible. I'm only guessing.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Their rules stated that (Potential candidates with shorter careers may be considered if there are special circumstances.) I think it was his entry into the US Army and subsequent injuries that he sustained that they felt he was eligible. I'm only guessing.
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And they probably also threw into consideration the fact that he was racing before NASCAR was officially formed.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Their rules stated that (Potential candidates with shorter careers may be considered if there are special circumstances.) I think it was his entry into the US Army and subsequent injuries that he sustained that they felt he was eligible. I'm only guessing.
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I'm sure down the road this rule will get Richmond in the Hall Of Fame then. I think a little thing called, dying from AIDS would be a special circumstance as to why he didn't race 10 years.
 
breatheoflife said:
I'm sure down the road this rule will get Richmond in the Hall Of Fame then. I think a little thing called, dying from AIDS would be a special circumstance as to why he didn't race 10 years.
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That sure isn't my call. I'm just providing the info.

As far as him getting in there, I think there are a lot of more deserving drivers that make the HOF before he would ever be considered.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
That sure isn't my call. I'm just providing the info.

As far as him getting in there, I think there are a lot of more deserving drivers that make the HOF before he would ever be considered.
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I definitely agree. I don't think it will be anytime soon. But Hall Of Fame worthy drivers just don't retire as often as they do in other sports, so eventually, the list of worthy candidates is going to be a little thin to where they will almost have to take him, in my opinion.
 
It's funny, a few short years ago many were complaining that not enough people were being enshrined in the opening. The wanted a larger first class because we needed to catch up. Now our concern is that we'll run out of people to put in there. I'm thinking that things will work out just fine.
 
Well beings Richmond, Davey, and Allan will need special consideration due to the 10 years, just realize Anne France kept the books right for over 10 years.

So vote for your Mama for class of 2014.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's funny, a few short years ago many were complaining that not enough people were being enshrined in the opening. The wanted a larger first class because we needed to catch up. Now our concern is that we'll run out of people to put in there. I'm thinking that things will work out just fine.
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I don't think they will ever run out. There are many drivers out there that still need to get in. Just eventually, Richmond's name is going to come up on the nomination list. I think they will cut the class down to 4 eventually at some point as well. I was just saying, in other sports, you have a HoF or two nominee retiring every year. In NASCAR, that could be about what, every 5 years? Heck, NASCAR's last HoF driver that retired was who, Jarrett in 2008?
 
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