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FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) -- Greg Biffle set off a controversy Saturday, accusing Hendrick Motorsports of some shady business in testing.

Biffle is third in the season points, chasing Tony Stewart and Hendrick's Jimmie Johnson heading into Sunday's NASCAR Nextel Cup race at Texas Motor Speedway.

He said Johnson got around NASCAR's rules, which limit each team entry to seven private tests during the season. Biffle said Johnson tested a car with the No. 25 of teammate Brian Vickers displayed on it at a recent test at Phoenix, where the series heads next week.

"Johnson was driving the 25 car,'' Biffle said. "Does he race the 25 car? Why was he driving the 25 car?''

Johnson shrugged off Biffle's comments.

"We went out and did a test and everything was cleared with NASCAR and fine,'' Johnson said. "I was there filling in for the No. 25 team.''

Biffle didn't think it was fair.

"I think what it is is a lack of people wanting to police it,'' Biffle said. "I watched (Johnson's crew chief) Chad Knaus on TV brag about (how) they saved all their tests for the Chase. It's not his test.''

Biffle said his own Roush Racing entry abided by the rules.

"The 16 team tested as many times as NASCAR allowed us to test in the rule book,'' he said. "Under the conditions, the way we read the rules, we tested all of our tests and Phoenix was our last test.''

Biffle insisted none of Roush's five Cup entries, all of them in the 10-man Chase for the championship, "phonied a number and changed the driver and got a different crew chief so that we could beat the rule to go test somewhere.

"All of our teams are out of tests. Could we go to Homestead and test the (No.) 71 car and then enter (Roush truck series driver) Todd Kluever in the thing? Yeah, but we're not going to play that game.''

Johnson didn't like the way Biffle aired his displeasure.

"I find it interesting someone chooses to use the media to file a complaint instead of going into the truck and talking to NASCAR,'' Johnson said. "So, with that in mind, I think he's barking up the wrong tree and, if he has a problem, go to NASCAR and let them take care of it.''

NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said the Hendrick team did not break a rule, although it might have violated the spirit of the rule. He said NASCAR is working on a revamped testing policy that it hopes to be able to announce by the end of the year or early in 2006.

"We're addressing that (situation) in our new testing policy,'' Hunter added. "We just don't know where we're going to land with that, yet. In the past, we've tried to take into account the possibility of a driver being sick or injured or having a sponsor obligation, so we wanted to give them latitude to put another driver in the car.

"We're trying to address all the issues so, when we announce a new test policy, we can eliminate some of the loopholes and gray areas we've had in the past. But these teams are pretty shrewd and they'll find a way to make it work to their advantage within the rules.''



Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
Jimmie Johnson & crew have a way of "violating the spirit of the rule"..don't they....
 
Back to the shock issue, if the back of the car is lower, and the front is higher it will hurt you. So i found it funny when ppl was ready to kill Johnson after that happand to him in the sping. Shocks fail, and just since it is lower that does not mean it will help you.

and about this issue, Biffle's an Idiot
 
I thought the issue was that his car was higher in the rear than it was allowed to be. Nascar gave it some time to "settle", presumably because they had just rolled the car across bumpy ground to the inspection area.
 
well, it happaned twice this year.

the 1st time

48, low in back end high in front end = hurt
5, low in front, high in back = help

the 2ed time

5, low in back end high in front end = hurt
48, low in front, high in back = help

they said they gave the cars a few secs to set and re checked em. I do know anything can brake or give on a racecar, and since the teams get all there parts in bulk if there is one back shock there is a chance there will be more. Don't really know if rolling the car would mess with anything, maybe pushing down on it would.
 
What Biffle either didn't know, or didn't care to share with the media was that Chad Knaus was NOT at that Phoenix test. Lance McGrew was. And, as Brian Vickers stated on INC, he was doing Nascar a favor by testing their car of the future. Also that the 25 team used one of the 48 superspeedway cars this year.
 
Yep, I remember that now! :D

Don't take me wrong, but I kinda like The Biff. ;)
 
or when you're paying nascar to skip over an imperfection going through the scales or inspection..
 
Somebody please explain this "spirit of racing" garbage.

Isn't the whole POINT of RACING to be faster than the other guy?! What difference does it make if you tweak the spings, the spoiler, or the engine? And isn't the whole POINT of TEAMS to share resources?

At least Biff has won the title to 'Biggest Whiner'
(it came down to the judges, but Biff the Buff pulled it off in the end!) :)
 
BIFF

'25' car my tail... that '25' car will have a '48' plastered on it this weekend at Phoenix.

It's not cheating this year, but it will be next year :beerbang:
 
majestyx said:
What Biffle either didn't know, or didn't care to share with the media was that Chad Knaus was NOT at that Phoenix test. Lance McGrew was. And, as Brian Vickers stated on INC, he was doing Nascar a favor by testing their car of the future. Also that the 25 team used one of the 48 superspeedway cars this year.
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And that Chad wasn't at the test matters why? Sometimes a crew chief will send someone else, and as seen many times the CC's sometimes have things they have to do and don't get to the track on Friday or Saturday for practice, but the team still practices. You mean you expect us to believe Lance didn't have a list from Chad of things to try etc. etc. As Brian also said, it could've very well been a #48 chasis with the #25 stuck on it.

The REAL point being, you have a driver in the "Chase" out of tests, and all of a sudden he gets to test for his team mate at one of the "Chase" tracks. Getting the added seat time, running laps at a critical track for him and very possibly using the very chasis he'll be racing at Pheonix IS a big deal. The rule clearly states that a driver gets 7 tests on Cup tracks, not 8 or 9 if your team mates give you theirs.
You want to avoid the appearence of improprieties, why couldn't Jeff or Kyle have done the test for Brian? Neither of them are in the Chase and no one would have raised an eye brow.

If NASCAR did approve this instaed of suggesting #1 either Jeff or Kyle do the test, or, #2 Brian do his own test and Jimmy test the COT, certainly smacks of favortisum on NASCAR's part.

Call Biff a whiner all you want, but when you are in a close battle for the championship an your closest competitor gets an extra test at a Chase track coming up soon, he has every right to cry foul.

As many things this year with that team, they manipulated the rule to a point that they've certainly side tracked the total intent and spirit of the rule if not actually breaking it. It also amazes me how many other teams have been fined and docked points for violating the "intent or spirit" of a rule while working in a grey area but this team gets by with it and NASCAR says we'll change the rule in the future.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this sure as heck has a very strong smell to it.
 
Eagle1, you NOR I know the why's and where's of what the true reason behind Jimmie testing Brian Vicker's car at Phoenix is/was. What I DO know is that Brian was doing Nascar a favor by testing the Car of the Future, and Jimmie tested Brian's car at Phoenix with Brian's car staff NOT the 48 staff. It is also a strong possibility that both Jeff and Kyle were doing sponsor stuff.
 
No, we do not, BUT what we do know is the rules state EACH driver gets 7 tests per year at CUP tracks, not 8.

OKay,... I'll go with Jeff and Kyle having sponsor engagements just for the sake of it.

So why didn't NASCAR have Jimmie test the COT, and let Brian do his own test? Jimmie's a much better more experienced driver, seems to me they would've gotten better feed back.

Bend it, ... shape it anyway you want to, it still smells! And under the rules of testing and the fact that Biffle is in a close race for points with Jimmie I think he has every right to complain.
If Jimmie wasn't in the Chase would it have been an issue? Probably not, but the fact is he IS and NASCAR allowed him an extra test.
 
Your logic of "Jimmie's in the chase therefore Kyle should get the seat time" is just silly. That would mean an entirely new set of rules for 'the guys in the chase'. We've got enough problems with rules as is...

The problem is in the rules and everyone's view of what's FAIR. NASCAR knew JJ was driving, if it was against any rules they'd have stopped it... he didn't break any rules. People just don't think it's fair. Whah whah....cry me a river.

If it's not breaking a rule it's fair. Plain and simple. Breaking rules means you're a cheater, that's WAY different than un-fair.

You think a guy like Travis Kvapil thinks he has a FAIR shot again a Hendrick, Roushe, or Gibbs car? I doubt it.

Fair is boring.
Fair has no place in racing or any sport....EVER. (coach, that team is taller than we are! how are we going to win this basketball game?)

Biff needs to build a bridge and get over it.
 
Well, I guess that you'd have to ask Nascar why they selected Brian Vickers, Carl Edwards, Martin Truex and Jeff Burton to test the cars of the future. Hendrick Motorsports inquired with Nascar since Brian was doing the COF test for Jimmie to do the Phoenix test for Brian.

And, after receiving my copy of Nascar Scene today, on page 26 Greg Biffle is quoted as saying
"The whole thing got blown out of porportion. It kind of made me mad when I saw that [story] because I didn't say anything specifically about the 48 car for starters, and now I've [supposedly] got this big conspiracy against Hendrick's teams for their testing. People are trying to make a big story out of nothing."
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And, the people he's referring to making a big story out of nothing are none other than the MEDIA.
 
Bucky Badger said:
I wonder if the Johnson fan club would feel the same way is Stewert did that???
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Not once did I say I agreed with it. I was just pointing out the fact that Nascar KNEW he was testing the 25 equipment. If it was against the rules, they would have stopped him. And, in answer to your question, in the SAME situation, I would be stating the same for Tony Stewart. Jeremy Mayfield has tested the 91 car this year, and in the same Phoenix test, Denny Hamlin was testing the number 80 car which is supposedly the 20's equipment.

According to a quote by Jim Hunter:
It's a loophole and you could make a case for it being unfair, but it is what it is.
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You know this is all just making Nascar more money, all this publicity, all this contreversy= $$$$ in their pockets. Heck they could have even invited the media or clued them in on the test in Phoenix, just to get this very reaction from all of us and Biffle. Of course i am being a conpiracy theorist here, but i just can't help myself!!!!
 
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