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Brad Keselowski blasts NASCAR's switch to fuel injection.

This has to pi$$ some people off @ NASCAR but I gotta agree with most of what he said. Being as it's Brad Keselowski, most of the haters will jump to NASCAR's defense, I'd venture to guess.....

CHARLOTTE – Brad Keselowski will miss next week's fuel-injection test at Daytona International Speedway, but he's done enough testing to conclude the new system is "a disaster."

"It has less throttle response, and it's harder to get to start (because) it takes a computer to start the damn thing," the NASCAR driver said. "It's a pain in the (butt). I don't see where fans get anything from it."

In switching from carburetors to fuel injection next season, NASCAR has couched the move as a green initiative because it should make engines run more efficiently by controlling the fuel mixture through electronics. It also will bring stock cars more in line with street models, pleasing the four manufacturers that compete in the Sprint Cup Series— but not Keselowski.

"My dislike list is very long," Keselowski said. "I'm not a big fan of it at all. Carburetor technology is 50 years old but is very simple. The benefit of a carburetor is that it's very, very easy to police. That's why NASCAR stuck with that.

"Now, because of all the green initiatives, etc., etc., the sport has taken a lot of flak from different groups that probably don't understand that.

"They've been pressured into switching it through the green initiatives. In reality it's no more efficient than what we have, and it costs a lot more."

The new fuel injection modules are expected to run at least $25,000 apiece.

"We're not doing this because it's better for the teams," Keselowski said. "I don't think we're really going to save any gas. It's a media circus, trying to make you guys happy so you write good stories. It gives them something to promote.

"We're always looking for something to promote, but the honest answer is it does nothing for the sport except cost the team owners money. Cars on the street are injected with real electronics, not a throttle body (like in NASCAR). So we've managed to go from 50-year-old technology to 35-year-old technology. I don't see what the big deal is."

Dale Earnhardt Jr. took an opposing view, saying his two tests with fuel injection "had been smooth. Every time, it drives exactly like the carburetor car. I've jumped in and out of both of them and was really pleased. It's just a step in the natural process of the sport.

"I think Brad's just kind of frustrated because the testing for them maybe hasn't gone as well as they hoped. In the long run, it'll be a benefit for the sport."

Keselowski said he expected to get a scolding from NASCAR for espousing his views.

"I'm sure I will," he laughed. "But that's the honest part of it. I think it's a disaster."
 
Certainly will get the media talking about #2 Dodge again. Especially this weekend and next.

Roger Penske doesn't leave anything to chance and his success proves that.
 
i agree with jr. times change, nascar has to adjust to current technology.
 
It did'nt take long to find out which Teams/Manufactures are struggling with the change over did it? Let the Team Lobbying for concessions begin.

It's surprising that some are still having issue's with the FI it's been coming for several years and and has been worked on in earnest for the last two years. The basic system has been on the boards since mid 2010, there's been "Unofficial test" and official test's at Kentucky, Charlotte,Talladega and Martinsville. Penske, Hendrick, Jos Gibbs, Roush, Stewart-Haas, Earnhardt-Ganassi, MWR and others have all been involved in these test most with multiple cars.
The only problems I've heard of so far are:
Heat sensitivity of the electronics which has been fixed with better routing/location and sheilding of components.
Some fuel supply issues, at the higher pressures required for these systems pump cavitation and fuel aireation are a problem, redesigned fuel cell sumps and locations will fix that.
Throttle response, different drivers and different driving styles as far as throttle application variances has caused alot of keyboard pecking.

My opinion is it's ready to race right now, but some teams who are seeing a horsepower advantage disappear are'nt real happy.

"Disclaimer" I'd rather see a Carburator OR a Full On Fuel Injection System under the hood.
 
I think Brad is deflecting attention from hin 'Newman needs an ass kicking' comment. ;)

I don't know what nascar was telling the drivers, but I don't recall them making a big deal about EFI being more effecient. They said it was mainly to keep the cars more in line with what the manufacturers were building today.

But 20K sounds rediculous, even to set a car up for the first time. The good thing is they get rid of that cable drive fuel pump in the tank.
 
If the EFI car is harder to start, something is wrong with their system.
 
If the EFI car is harder to start, something is wrong with their system.

I agree, because the system has a low pressure, high volumn electric feeder pump in the tank that supplys gas to the high pressure pump. It's the same for throttle response. They can make the injectors act like an accelerator pump, if NASCAR allows the necessary logic.
 
Wow, $250,000 per car is the total cost for a season. I can see why Brad is pissed. He owns a low budget truck team, and I'm sure he see's it coming to that series soon.
 
His Dodge must be down on horsepower with the FI system. Waahhh!
 
It's the same for throttle response. They can make the injectors act like an accelerator pump, if NASCAR allows the necessary logic.

The problem is the more you make it Act like a carburator the less fuel efficient it becomes and there's always someone who works out how to make it work while still keeping it efficient........
Bad news on the system is Your going to see more Fuel Milage races next year and some cars that can go 4-5 laps More than anyone else.
 
The problem is the more you make it Act like a carburator the less fuel efficient it becomes and there's always someone who works out how to make it work while still keeping it efficient........
Bad news on the system is Your going to see more Fuel Milage races next year and some cars that can go 4-5 laps More than anyone else.

That's the point I'm trying to make. If NASCAR sticks to their 'better fuel mileage' act, it will affect the racing in a negative way. These carbs are so highly tuned, EFI's only real advantage for fuel savings is minimizing dumping fuel for acceleration.
 
EFI's only real advantage for fuel savings is minimizing dumping fuel for acceleration.

EXACALACALY!!! :D
And the team that works out how to get the best power/efficency/driveability WITHOUT having to program in "dumping fuel for acceleration" will be the team to beat!

The more things change the more they stay the same ;)
 
EXACALACALY!!! :D
And the team that works out how to get the best power/efficency/driveability WITHOUT having to program in "dumping fuel for acceleration" will be the team to beat!

The more things change the more they stay the same ;)

The question is throttle response, and that takes fuel. There's now way around it. They have to override the effeciency part of the logic when a driver slams the pedal to the floor. With EFI, that means injector timing and duration, and that means more fuel.

We'll see. It may end up acting a little like tracktion control off the corners, which will benifit some of the less talented drivers in the field.
 
Lets not bring a thread back from the Dead: http://www.racing-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=133

Or start any vicious rumors of possible cheating ;)

Flash, why would you post a link to a thread that you want to keep buried?? Methinks that ye really DO want to resurect it... ;)

As for EFI: Every other racing series in the World (probably even lawnmower racing for dog's sake) uses fuel injection. Carbs are yesterday's technology. Fact is that there is not a single automobile available with a carb today. I'd be willing to bet that even the YUGO would have EFI if IT were resurrected! :D

I also think that NASCAR should move beyond the 4-speed trans - but that's a topic for another thread...
 
Flash, why would you post a link to a thread that you want to keep buried?? Methinks that ye really DO want to resurect it... ;)

Your on to me :eek:
If you read that very old thread (especialy the 4th post, I know it's long and boring but it contains a wealth of information ) some very wise and intelligent :D gentlemen have given their input on the reasoning behind NASCAR staying away from Computerized Fuel Injection and Ignition Sysytems.
Might want to kep it in mind for the Upcoming season.
 
Your on to me :eek:
If you read that very old thread (especialy the 4th post, I know it's long and boring but it contains a wealth of information ) some very wise and intelligent :D gentlemen have given their input on the reasoning behind NASCAR staying away from Computerized Fuel Injection and Ignition Sysytems.
Might want to kep it in mind for the Upcoming season.

I tried to read it, but after 3 minutes my head start wobbeling while I chanted 'really, really really'. Sorry, but I did try. :D
 
Brad Keselowski blasts NASCAR's switch to fuel injection.

This has to pi$$ some people off @ NASCAR but I gotta agree with most of what he said. Being as it's Brad Keselowski, most of the haters will jump to NASCAR's defense, I'd venture to guess.....

It sure did piss some people off at NASCAR.

MIAMI BEACH, Fla. (AP)—People familiar with the punishment say NASCAR has fined Brad Keselowski for comments he made criticizing electronic fuel injection.

The people spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity because NASCAR did not publicize the fine.

NASCAR has been privately punishing drivers for making disparaging remarks about the series over the last two years.

The fine is believed to be $25,000.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AtQK3yTpD5CXdJfmIkqx7u3ov7YF?slug=ap-nascar-keselowskifined
 
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