Brads Turn 3/4 "Move"

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Interesting thing happened up there in turns 3/4 on the last lap? Brad sure ran in high with KB on him then Brad appeard to turn down a little and shake KB off his bumper, Kyle's confused :
http://www.nascar.com/news/120506/kybusch-talladega-second/index.html
And Brad seems to feel he thought this out well in advance.
"I had this whole plan if I ever got in that situation where I was leading," Keselowski said. "I thought about it and thought about it -- dreamed about what to do -- and sure enough, going into (Turn) 3, it was just me and Busch. And I knew the move I wanted to pull.
"... I went into Turn 3 high and pulled down off of Kyle and broke the tandem up. That allowed me to drive untouched to the checkered flag. It wasn't easy to convince myself to do that, but it was the right move. I'm glad it worked."
http://www.nascar.com/news/120506/bkeselowski-wins-cup-talladega/index.html
I cant link video from here or I'd show the move :mad:


Yep Brad messed up my Bold Prediction :(
 
I liked Kyle's comment;

"I'm not sure he did anything," Busch said. "If he did, he's pretty smart. But I think our stuff just came unplugged."
 
Kyles stuff didn't come unplugged, because he kept up with Brad after the seperation. I think Brad's move entailed a bit more than surprising Kyle by going high. My theory is that Brad stole a page from michael Wlatrip and tapped the brakes quick to steal Kyles momentum. By running high and then diving low, Kyle has no chance to draft back and is left with just the high side for a pass. Brilliant move by Brad.

Even Tony learned something from Brad about saving gas, and it was a key in Tonys championship by winning the first 2 races with fuel mileage. It put a smile on my face to see a seasoned vet mimicking what he saw Brad do on TV. Brad's a real smart dude who never stops improving his game. If Penske is over their fuel issues, I expect the #2 team to go on a tear of top finishes and wins.
 
FenderBumper said:
Kyles stuff didn't come unplugged, because he kept up with Brad after the seperation. I think Brad's move entailed a bit more than surprising Kyle by going high. My theory is that Brad stole a page from michael Wlatrip and tapped the brakes quick to steal Kyles momentum. By running high and then diving low, Kyle has no chance to draft back and is left with just the high side for a pass. Brilliant move by Brad.

Even Tony learned something from Brad about saving gas, and it was a key in Tonys championship by winning the first 2 races with fuel mileage. It put a smile on my face to see a seasoned vet mimicking what he saw Brad do on TV. Brad's a real smart dude who never stops improving his game. If Penske is over their fuel issues, I expect the #2 team to go on a tear of top finishes and wins.
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lol,got any BK for press. badges?
 
getadietdew said:
lol,got any BK for press. badges?
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Brad's not quite ready for the White House. LOL
But I agree with FB. AJ has had some really strong runs and Brad is seemingly always in contention. It's not too much of a stretch to think that Bad Brad could be a contender for the Title! Penske is looking strong.
 
robbybee said:
Brad's not quite ready for the White House. LOL
But I agree with FB. AJ has had some really strong runs and Brad is seemingly always in contention. It's not too much of a stretch to think that Bad Brad could be a contender for the Title! Penske is looking strong.
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I wonder if Dinger is back next year.
 
I believe him when he says he had a plan. The 3rd turn line he took was so different than the traditional one of hugging the white line to the checkers.


It was obviously about keeping the momentum and gapping Kyle (aren't the spoilers smaller this year? Which also would make the higher line a better choice) . The kid is obviously a thinking man's driver, it was no fluke either, he also prescipted and out-juke'd the Edwards block a few years ago. Currently I would say he is the best last lap driver on the plate tracks.



I also liked another comment of his, he said he didn't tell the spotter about the planned move. It was something like he only wanted information from the spotter (paraphrased). He is a breath of fresh air.


That's another quirk of mine. The spotters shouldn't be able to make deals, or even coach a driver, isolating spotters from each other or banning it would be a good move.



It is suppose to be about the driver that knows what to do, rather than some boys having a momma telling them their business. I want to see a drivers performance, not the committees plan, or who can broker the best back room deals (the ideal is profane and has the superteam manipulation stink signature, and it reduces a drivers ability to control his own destiny ).


Restrict them to planning pit stops, and warning the drivers of any wrecks or safety issues. The idea is that once they hit the track, it is all on the drivers, I want the battles to solely be based on their ability, and their strategy (not entirely possible, it is a team effort, but maximizing a drivers role is worthwhile) . I don’t even like the spotters being able to say "clear" like some seeing eye dog.
 
Greg said:
I believe him when he says he had a plan. The 3rd turn line he took was so different than the traditional one of hugging the white line to the checkers.


It was obviously about keeping the momentum and gapping Kyle (aren't the spoilers smaller this year? Which also would make the higher line a better choice) .
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It's nice to hear from someone who actually understands these things. Yes, the high line was the key, but few noticed what he did. As Brad said, the smaller spoiler makes it easier to seperate the cars, so he came up with this plan. When you have a driver like Kyle Busch scratching his head, you know you did something special. One of the last things Kyle heard on the radio was "Think about the move in the tri-oval". That was just before the oportunity evaporated. Even know-it-all DW couldn't hide the fact that he was stunned Kyle couldn't make the pass.
 
Greg said:
I believe him when he says he had a plan. The 3rd turn line he took was so different than the traditional one of hugging the white line to the checkers.

That's another quirk of mine. The spotters shouldn't be able to make deals, or even coach a driver,
It is suppose to be about the driver that knows what to do, rather than some boys having a momma telling them their business.
Restrict them to planning pit stops, and warning the drivers of any wrecks or safety issues. I don’t even like the spotters being able to say "clear" like some seeing eye dog.
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I agree with almost everything you siad, Greg. Just two points I would like to make.

1. Spotters are essential and the info they give to their drivers (especially now with a driver's limited peripheral vision) is as much a safety issue as a strategical issue.

2. Aren't there already far too many "restrictions" in restrictor plarte racing?
 
How about posting a video for Andy who had his eyes closed and apparantly missed the whole race.
 
robbybee said:
I agree with almost everything you siad, Greg. Just two points I would like to make.

1. Spotters are essential and the info they give to their drivers (especially now with a driver's limited peripheral vision) is as much a safety issue as a strategical issue.

2. Aren't there already far too many "restrictions" in restrictor plarte racing?
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I can see your point on the lack of visibility. I would still like to see the deal making stopped between the spotters, the big teams already have the advantage.


I might think of restrictions a little differently, making it all 100 % on the driver is an impossible dream or naive. But trying is worthwhile.



I don't want to get into the athlete debate, but racing or driving is more of a mental contest, or a measure of concentration and techniques. It is also a lot of pressure.


I want them to battle without the benefits of counsel. If he can't handle the pressure, the weakness should not be minimized, let him melt down, To minimize the inferiorty restricts the ability to separate the men from the boys or the actual contest.
 
I do especially agree with Greg's call of stopping the between spotters dealings.
 
VaDirt said:
I do especially agree with Greg's call of stopping the between spotters dealings.
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Yes sir, but it's one of those impossible dreams, Spotters have to communicate with each other to do their job properly. How could you ever control just exactly what they talk about?
 
FlFlash said:
Yes sir, but it's one of those impossible dreams, Spotters have to communicate with each other to do their job properly. How could you ever control just exactly what they talk about?
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Control the signals, physically separate them, guillotine offenders
 
FlFlash said:
Yes sir, but it's one of those impossible dreams, Spotters have to communicate with each other to do their job properly. How could you ever control just exactly what they talk about?
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True to a point. It would be hard to control. But, I think that's half the problem with these races. Have the time, rather than racing, they're making deals with the other team. Who's gonna work with who, when are we going to swap for the lead, etc etc.
 
That was the type of move only Dale Sr. would think of. Quite simple break the draft and leave him wondering.
As soon as brad moved up maybe half a lane it stuck the nose of the 18 right into the wind and kinda sorta stalled him out, It was freakin brilliant.
 
racer8 said:
That was the type of move only Dale Sr. would think of. Quite simple break the draft and leave him wondering.
As soon as brad moved up maybe half a lane it stuck the nose of the 18 right into the wind and kinda sorta stalled him out, It was freakin brilliant.
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Kyle wasn't ready for it because Brad broke the usual formula. By the time Kyle recovered, it was over. I also call BS on his engine going South, because he didn't lose any more ground, and actually started to close the gap slightly.
 
FenderBumper said:
Kyle wasn't ready for it because Brad broke the usual formula. By the time Kyle recovered, it was over. I also call BS on his engine going South, because he didn't lose any more ground, and actually started to close the gap slightly.
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Basically what I just said.
 
It's a well known fact that the engines lose power as they heat up. It's very plausible that the engine of the 18 just couldn't take any more.
 
Matthew2470 said:
It's a well known fact that the engines lose power as they heat up. It's very plausible that the engine of the 18 just couldn't take any more.
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It's also a fact that the pusher needs less horsepower to push. The fact that Kyle was able to keep up and even gain tells me his engine was fine. They tape the front grill for qualifying. If the engine lost power as fast as you think, why would CC's do that?

Everyone was shocked by what they saw, and they grasped for explaination, including Dave Rogers.
 
Seems Brad's gotten the best of Kyle a few times.

As for the best last lap driver, I still think that goes to Harvick hands down. He's won countless races on passes in the last lap or two.
 
Again a great move by Brad, but I am not thinking it was a KB failure. There was just no options left, Brad executed an unexpected maneuver perfectly, and sealed the deal before that extra long straightaway could be utilized by Kyle.



I don’t think anybody else could have countered Brads move either.
 
Greg said:
Again a great move by Brad, but I am not thinking it was a KB failure. There was just no options left, Brad executed an unexpected maneuver perfectly, and sealed the deal before that extra long straightaway could be utilized by Kyle.
I don’t think anybody else could have countered Brads move either.
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I agree with you and Fender , Greg , the great move by Brad wasn't breaking the draft . Drivers have been zig zagging down the streach trying to break the draft for many years . It only takes a few seconds for the pack to catch back up and then blow by you . Brad's move was perfectly timed ,so when they caught back up he was accross the finish line.
 
Thanks man. Sometimes I like when people agree with me. Just don't let this agreement thing get out of hand. ;)
 
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