BULLETIN: NASCAR drivers must elect championships in 2011

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I think if I was Brad or Menard, I'd check the box to run for the nationwide championship. At least then they'd have a chance of getting a championship.:growl:
To me all nationwide has become now is a place for cup drivers that don't win in cup to have a place where they have a chance of winning a race.
 
BobbyFord said:
Expect ticket sales for the lower tier series' to plummet even farther. Way to go NASCAR.
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The lower-tier divisions need to fall back to Earth a little, time to bring the Nationwide Series back to Hickory. Make it interesting and have 'em race at Old Dominion.
 
Should of made it so if you have a top 35 guaranted spot in the cup series you dont get points in the Nationwide Series. Also should make it a rule that any Driver in the top 35 in the Cup Series has to qualify on time for ever Nationwide Race. Would be something seeing Kyle, Edwards, Lagano, Harvick, Kes, ect. All having to qualify to make every race they attempt.
 
Well it's a start but it's still gonna be Cup guys winning all the races unless Kyle, Carl and Brad decide to skip the few stand alone events.
 
There is a reason they write the rule book in pencil.

They will wait 4 races and have a nationwide guy leading the points and have some empty stands. Then they will ask ESPN "Hey what would the points be if we hadnt done this?? Then ESPN will decide what that will be then NASCAR will come out and say they "reset" the points and those are the standings they will use. The original leader is now 10th and carl edwards or kez will be in first.


I personally like the racing series being about the nationwide guys. Mostly the short track guys ive been following for awhile getting their shot to run on the big tracks. But i learned long ago most nascar fans dont see that in racing they just see million dollar names going around the track single file and calling it great racing.
 
JustMe said:
I think if I was Brad or Menard, I'd check the box to run for the nationwide championship. At least then they'd have a chance of getting a championship.:growl:
To me all nationwide has become now is a place for cup drivers that don't win in cup to have a place where they have a chance of winning a race.
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Ummmmm Brad was just crowned Nationwide Champion.
 
basscatcher89 said:
I personally like the racing series being about the nationwide guys. Mostly the short track guys ive been following for awhile getting their shot to run on the big tracks. But i learned long ago mostNEW nascar fans dont see that in racing they just see million dollar names going around the track single file and calling it great racing.
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:fixed:
 
mike honcho said:
Ummmmm Brad was just crowned Nationwide Champion.
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I know that and he finished 25th in the cup standings. Which is why I said, he should pick nationwide where he has a chance of getting a championship. Guess I should have added again. Maybe he can be the Jimmie Johnson of the nationwide series.:D
 
This could be a good thing. At least it'll get the Cup team out of Nationwide and the Truck series, and we'll actually have rookies be given an actual chance to get their foot in the door.
 
SpeedPagan said:
This could be a good thing. At least it'll get the Cup team out of Nationwide and the Truck series, and we'll actually have rookies be given an actual chance to get their foot in the door.
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Doubt it, there will still be plenty of Cup guys running Nationwide or they won't have full fields. There are not enough fully funded stand alone Nationwide teams to fill a 43 car field as far as I know.
 
They've been talking about this change for a while now. I never thought that they'd go through with it, especially given that that they had time to reconsider. This is the worst idea that I've heard of since the announcement of the Chase itself. Looking back @ 2010, would you have really considered Justin Allgaier to have been the champion 960 points out of the lead? :confused: I know I wouldn't have. It's foolish to think that those points no longer earned by the drivers from the other series won't be counted by the fans of the sport. Heck, in the Cup Series the traditional points are still be counted and published ever single week. Wrong move NASCAR.
 
SpeedPagan said:
This could be a good thing. At least it'll get the Cup team out of Nationwide and the Truck series, and we'll actually have rookies be given an actual chance to get their foot in the door.
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Why? Cup guys still get prize money and track time.
 
Still think they should run both series on the tracks at once, with a 50 car field, just like the dp/gt cars do. No way anyone can compete for both series then.
MoMike
 
MoMike said:
Still think they should run both series on the tracks at once, with a 50 car field, just like the dp/gt cars do. No way anyone can compete for both series then.
MoMike
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hehe, just had a mental image of 50 cars running at talladega, 2 different car specs and drivers with immensely different driving talent. gonna have to get more wreckers. <g>
 
Mopardh9 said:
Doubt it, there will still be plenty of Cup guys running Nationwide or they won't have full fields. There are not enough fully funded stand alone Nationwide teams to fill a 43 car field as far as I know.
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Yes, the will still be cup teams running, but not the full season. But, it miight work in the smaller teams favor and bring a few more teams to the table, knowing that they might actually have a shot at something.

And maybe, just maybe, we'll see some guys climb a ladder and get placed ni a NNW car, instead of that seat being filled by an already espablished Cup guy.
 
SlowNeasy said:
hehe, just had a mental image of 50 cars running at talladega, 2 different car specs and drivers with immensely different driving talent. gonna have to get more wreckers. <g>
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True, I guess just because the DP,GT drivers can do it anywhere, doesn't mean nascar drivers have near as much talent.
MoMike
 
Unless NASCAR limits the number of starts a Cup guy can make in NNS or CWTS, all this does is take them out of the points race in either series. If they're going to prevent the Cup guys from running for points in those series, they need to also place a cap on the number of starts they can do.
 
MRM said:
Unless NASCAR limits the number of starts a Cup guy can make in NNS or CWTS, all this does is take them out of the points race in either series. If they're going to prevent the Cup guys from running for points in those series, they need to also place a cap on the number of starts they can do.
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Agreed!
 
Cup drivers need to make a decision. Are they cup drivers or not? The "Busch" series was a feeder series, like AAA baseball. Drivers got experience, recognized and moved up into cup. Now 18 year olds whose dad just took the training wheels off last week are in the top series.:(

Cup driver wants to run a NW race? OK, no points or money, highest finishing NW driver goes to Victory Lane.:)
 
How about if cup drivers want to run in the nationwide series, they forfeit their drivers points in the cup series? That'd pretty much fix the whole damn problem.
 
MoMike said:
How about if cup drivers want to run in the nationwide series, they forfeit their drivers points in the cup series? That'd pretty much fix the whole damn problem.
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Or if they run the NW on Saturday they can't run the cup race on Sunday?
 
MoMike said:
How about if cup drivers want to run in the nationwide series, they forfeit their drivers points in the cup series? That'd pretty much fix the whole damn problem.
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Won't happen, then there would be empty stands at NW events, attendance is already poor, get rid of all the Cup guys and you will be lucky if you get 10K people at the races.
 
How about quit having companion events? Put the BGN Series back at the shorter tracks and run only 3-4 companion events all season. Give the series its own identity again, as it had back in the 70's and 80's. It was pretty successful back them; successful enough that several drivers just stayed in the series; Sam Ard, Tommy Ellis, Jack Ingram and Jimmy Hensley, just to name few who were successful in the BGN Series and ran Cup only sparingly.

Give the series it's own identity again and watch it grow back toward being what it once was. Continue to allow the Cup Raiders to dominate it race after race, and keep trying to fiddle with the rules to compensate and it will continue to be a joke.

Those are my thoughts on the matter anyway.
 
Stewart Fan said:
You really wanna try putting 55-60 cars on Bristol at the same time?
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Yeah, this is everybodys arguement whenever I bring this idea up. The idea is to combine enough of them that it makes competing in both irrelevant. All 1.5's and up.
Quite honestly I think 43 cars is too many at bristol and Martinsville.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Won't happen, then there would be empty stands at NW events, attendance is already poor, get rid of all the Cup guys and you will be lucky if you get 10K people at the races.
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So if the cup guys are the only reason anyone watches nationwide, then explain why the cup ratings and attendance have dropped so much.:confused: I mean they can't even keep their own series up in attendance and ratings.
 
NASCAR should have had a mandatory cup drivers meeting one hour before qualifying for Nationwide.

Seriously, think about it.
 
JustMe said:
So if the cup guys are the only reason anyone watches nationwide, then explain why the cup ratings and attendance have dropped so much.:confused: I mean they can't even keep their own series up in attendance and ratings.
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Variety of things in both... Nationwide, Truck, ARCA and IndyCar ratings were all up last year... though Nationwide and ARCA as a direct result of Danicamania. The Made for Jimmie Johnson Championship point system and the Jimmie Johnson dominance have turned a lot of people off. I know a lot of people who were die-hard fans for a long time who watch the Redskins games on Sundays now.

Brian France might think the Chase is working and Jimmie's dominance is good for the sport but he's a feckin idiot (we all knew that).
 
JustMe said:
So if the cup guys are the only reason anyone watches nationwide, then explain why the cup ratings and attendance have dropped so much.:confused: I mean they can't even keep their own series up in attendance and ratings.
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They aren't the only factor, I'm just saying take away the cup guys in NW and the interest won't be there. Hell back in the high point of Nascar mania in the late 90s and early 2000s The Busch series couldn't even sell out any of the races. I can remember being at Vegas on a sunny day in late Feb in 1999 and there being maybe half of the stands filled. Back then there were not as many Cup invaders either. The series as a stand alone event without Cup regulars, probably won't sell out either. People have gotten past the fascination with Nascar, I doubt it will ever see the attendance figures it had back then ever again. So to get back to the NW series, Nascar should just limit the amount of appearances by Cup guys so this series again becomes a true develomental proving ground for young drivers. Accept the fact that attendance at side by side events will suck and move on.
 
I think getting the nationwide series back its identity could work but it's going to take more effort than simply limiting cup drivers.

Highlight some of the young talented drivers, market the thing and allow the attendance/advertsing revenue to dictate payouts.

You'd see some good, agressive racing from these younger drivers if they didn't feel they have to pull over everytime a cup driver wants by or else be dumped.
 
Smoke14 said:
NASCAR should have had a mandatory cup drivers meeting one hour before qualifying for Nationwide.

Seriously, think about it.
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Exactly. Make it logistically impossible via scheduling to do both every week of the season.

One or more of these Cup drivers are eventually going to run the whole or most of the season anyway. Sponsors will dictate that. If they can get a driver into victory lane week after week, their going to do it championship title or not. When I think back to last years Nationwide Series, I think of Kyle Busch's 13 wins and not Brad Keselowski's Championship run.

I believe all that this new rule will do is create a paper champion. Even though NASCAR won't be counting points, fans will. That's what we do.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Exactly. Make it logistically impossible via scheduling to do both every week of the season.

One or more of these Cup drivers are eventually going to run the whole or most of the season anyway. Sponsors will dictate that. If they can get a driver into victory lane week after week, their going to do it championship title or not. When I think back to last years Nationwide Series, I think of Kyle Busch's 13 wins and not Brad Keselowski's Championship run.

I believe all that this new rule will do is create a paper champion. Even though NASCAR won't be counting points, fans will. That's what we do.
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Yep good point.:D
 
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