Burton to MWR? Ownership split at MWR?

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Reading on Jayski about a possible split between Waltrip and his Mega Pockets partner. Sounds like this might really hurt MWR. May be Jeff Burton driving for a new team established by Waltrips partner. Wow that Richmond snafu may really cost Micheal. Also said Truex may be going to the 78 car. I bet Napa will go too if that's the case. Would love to see that car with a major sponsor and a talented driver.
 
What a mess. I knew that there would be fallout from this for a few month's and as much as I dislike Michael Waltrip I'm starting to feel sorry for him because of everything he's lost due to stupidity. I've always said that he is a walking train wreck.
 
It's possible that MW underestimated his sponsor's reaction and thought, it's Nascar, it's cheating...what's the big deal?

I have to wonder if MWR as an organization failed in the PR department.
 
Mikey's a PUKE....And KARMA has a way of catching up to PUKES like him..........
 
I guess we'll just have to wait and see but this sounds very interesting. Feel bad for Michael.
 
I personally think the actual cheating hurt them less than the coverup.

Like they thought all of us were stupid and would just buy their words and that we couldn't from an opinion on our own.

Hopefully Kauffman forms his own team, hopefully it is very successful...but more importantly hopefully he picks a different driver other than Jeff Burton. That isn't going to make you very successful.
 
If the rumors are true then I'm guessing the reason he's choosing Burton is because he's a veteran with a wealth of knowledge. They are going to keep him around for a year or two until everything is on solid ground. Kind of like how Mark Martin helped MWR for a few years.
 
So many people tried to say cheating happens all the time in Nascar... Dale jr spun out on purpose a few year ago and this was no different. What people didn't take into account and evidently nascar did and they took very seriously is that there is a huge difference in letting somebody ahead to lead a lap for a point and when Dale jr spun out a few years ago for a caution that they weren't doing so in final laps of race and it's certainly wasn't the final race into the chase. Dale jr admitted what he had done and he was fined but I believe and agree the penalty and the fall out has been so severe to MWR was due to the fact that it was done in the final race to the chase and it affected so many people and sponsors so it was a big deal and not very smart.
 
I really don't think this was planned out ahead of time in a meeting back at the shop. I do think as the race progressed somebody said "what if?" A hold my beer moment if you will.
Waltrip opened the door for Kauffman to get involved in Nascar. At this point in time I believe Kaufman no longer needs Waltrip. Waltrip goes and the organization regains some credibility. .
 
Bobw said:
I really don't think this was planned out ahead of time in a meeting back at the shop. I do think as the race progressed somebody said "what if?" A hold my beer moment if you will.
Waltrip opened the door for Kauffman to get involved in Nascar. At this point in time I believe Kaufman no longer needs Waltrip. Waltrip goes and the organization regains some credibility. .
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I think your right... Probably a last minute bad decision and not thought thru
 
Don't get the last minute decision bit at all. Don't know and don't care where it happened..at the shop or the track. It was premeditated from the get go IMO. they were watching the positions, knew what they had to do to make it work, Clint was given the call sign before the race to spin out if they needed him to, and they did it.. Vickers was out of the loop I believe because he was a minor player and wasn't expected to be in front of Truex, Clint was in the chase no matter where he finished so he was the go to guy. Vickers just happened to be in the wrong position at the wrong time. They called Vickers to the pit and that was so blatantly obvious cheating, that the spin out went under the microscope. Yeah the Vickers pit call with a good stretch could be called spur of the moment, but Clint's secret sign spinout could only be premeditated. The lying and alibiing put a period on the whole mess. It is a really good rumor, very interesting, who knows if it is true or not. IMO many reporters have less credibility these days than MWR. I would like to read what Kauffman says about it..so far mum's the word from his side of it.
 
Wow, sucks for people like Vickers who are just bystanders. Hopefully they can still have JGR equipment.
 
From a sponsor's perspective isn't Boyer tainted now? Heard NAPA is talking to SHR, don't know what car they might be interested but I think Go Daddy is not there forever. Couldn't be KB because a sponsor would require proper behavior and memorize corporate lines. With Haas on the fenders throw all of that out the window and just get wins..
 
You guys already have this as a done deal? Yeah it could be..but something supposedly this big will be hard to keep the lid on it if this is a fact and not a rumor. They will be hounding Kauffman for a statement and it will be on the big screen if there is a grain of truth to it.
 
Kauffman's in London and is usually harder to get multi-billionaires on the phone.
 
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This picture possibly worth 1000 words also?
 
tdk67 said:
So many people tried to say cheating happens all the time in Nascar... Dale jr spun out on purpose a few year ago and this was no different. What people didn't take into account and evidently nascar did and they took very seriously is that there is a huge difference in letting somebody ahead to lead a lap for a point and when Dale jr spun out a few years ago for a caution that they weren't doing so in final laps of race and it's certainly wasn't the final race into the chase. Dale jr admitted what he had done and he was fined but I believe and agree the penalty and the fall out has been so severe to MWR was due to the fact that it was done in the final race to the chase and it affected so many people and sponsors so it was a big deal and not very smart.
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Please don't keep bringing up that awful story about Junior intentionally spinning out to get a caution .It pisses off Junior Nation and no one cares about that .
 
If this is all true, all parties involved have gotten the short end of the stick. Would have been better off sticking together and not hitting the panic button.

Waltrip-screwed
Kauffman- yeah good luck...
Truex- Isn't Kurt Busch
Burton- Isn't Martin Truex
Vickers and Bowyer- SCREWED
 
If Kauffman and Waltrip split, how do they divide up the employees and assets? Will Kauffman buy out Mikey and keep everyone who wants to stay?

Say what you will about MWR, but they've got good people there and can still be solid if given the proper resources.
 
ted@economy said:
Please don't keep bringing up that awful story about Junior intentionally spinning out to get a caution .It pisses off Junior Nation and no one cares about that .
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I am apart of JR nation.... He is the driver I pull for every week. I heard over and over how people tried to say it was the same and that cheating happens all the time and I just disagree. I was just giving my opinion on what mwr was wrong and can't be compared with things that had been done in past and I felt that the fall and penalties were due. Sorry to have said anything!!!
 
I am just getting caught up after a long week. Mikeys chickens are coming home to roost now. But what realistically mean for him? Down to a 1 car team?
 
tdk67 said:
I am apart of JR nation.... He is the driver I pull for every week. I heard over and over how people tried to say it was the same and that cheating happens all the time and I just disagree. I was just giving my opinion on what mwr was wrong and can't be compared with things that had been done in past and I felt that the fall and penalties were due. Sorry to have said anything!!!
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Just meant to get the Junior fans going .:) Spinning out is not illegal in Nascar for anyone , nor is pitting when you don't need to . Admitting it (or in Clint's case ) , not admitting it , seems to be the problem . A split second decision by an employee of MWR was definitely wrong , the penalties were imposed to appease the fans . The hatred for Clint , Michael , and Nascar was uncalled for .
 
I look forward to Robert Kauffman's "nice guy never cheating" team to finish 20th every week and never make an impact on anything.
 
As I recall, old Petty Enterprises was another team that was supposed to be filled with nice guys that never cheat. We all saw how relevant they were circa 1984 onward.
 
ted@economy said:
Just meant to get the Junior fans going .:) Spinning out is not illegal in Nascar for anyone , nor is pitting when you don't need to . Admitting it (or in Clint's case ) , not admitting it , seems to be the problem . A split second decision by an employee of MWR was definitely wrong , the penalties were imposed to appease the fans . The hatred for Clint , Michael , and Nascar was uncalled for .
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split second..you really falling for that story..nyuk nyuk nyuk with my best Moe laugh.
 
I am not claiming a split second decision, it was premeditated. But the punishment is overkill, racing is a war and if cheating can be successfully utilized it will happen.
The good ones are just under the radar and in victory lane.
They were just dumb enough to be obvious, but no less ethical than anyone else wanting to win in racing.

Only Pharisees and the navie should expect anything else, in my opinion (stressing opinion)
 
Greg said:
I am not claiming a split second decision, it was premeditated. But the punishment is overkill, racing is a war and if cheating can be successfully utilized it will happen.
The good ones are just under the radar and in victory lane.
They were just dumb enough to be obvious, but no less ethical than anyone else wanting to win in racing.

Only Pharisees and the navie should expect anything else, in my opinion (stressing opinion)
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If you are willing to cheat, you better be willing to deal with the consequences when you get caught.

If you don't want the consequences. Don't get caught or don't cheat.
 
beantownkid10 said:
If you are willing to cheat, you better be willing to deal with the consequences when you get caught.

If you don't want the consequences. Don't get caught or don't cheat.
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I guess you missed the point about the punishment being overkill.
 
ted@economy said:
Please don't keep bringing up that awful story about Junior intentionally spinning out to get a caution .It pisses off Junior Nation and no one cares about that .
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I am one of his biggest fans
ted@economy said:
Just meant to get the Junior fans going .:) Spinning out is not illegal in Nascar for anyone , nor is pitting when you don't need to . Admitting it (or in Clint's case ) , not admitting it , seems to be the problem . A split second decision by an employee of MWR was definitely wrong , the penalties were imposed to appease the fans . The hatred for Clint , Michael , and Nascar was uncalled for .
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Whatever .. You have your opinion .. I am a Nascar fan and I enjoy watching and like several drivers. I do think that MWR was wrong and had intent of cheating at the end of that race.
 
tdk67 said:
I am one of his biggest fans


Whatever .. You have your opinion .. I am a Nascar fan and I enjoy watching and like several drivers. I do think that MWR was wrong and had intent of cheating at the end of that race.
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I don't disagree , I think Junior had the intent of cheating too , but didn't get the same penalty . I think Chad has the intent of cheating ,most every week, but doesn't get the same penalty . Last time I saw a penalty like that , it was for Carl Long and it ruined him.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
If Kauffman and Waltrip split, how do they divide up the employees and assets? Will Kauffman buy out Mikey and keep everyone who wants to stay?

Say what you will about MWR, but they've got good people there and can still be solid if given the proper resources.
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I can see a buy out happening. Kauffman most likley has controlling interest anyway after bailing out Mikey several years back.
Keep the employees and give it a new name, Mikey gone, Ty Norris gone. I doubt it would change the minds of Napa and that still leaves Truex screwed.
 
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