Can NASCAR ever improve with the current drivers and media?

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What I mean by this is: The drivers hate any track that's not unique. They spend entire weekends complaining about short tracks and road courses but the times they aren't complaining, I'm asleep. But everyone's heard that rant before.

The second part is the media complaining about the Trucks going to Eldora. There's going to be too many cautions. It's not safe enough. They need SAFER barriers. The track needs to be bigger.

The simple fact that the media is complaining about Eldora is interesting... but they dictate the conversation so often and they're doing so in a way that says, short track racing is bad for NASCAR.

I firmly believe that the fanbase would grow if they ran more short tracks. I think everyone on this forum grew to love NASCAR because they spent Saturday nights at their local track or remember watching the old V6 engines roaring around Hickory in the Busch Series. Short tracks are where the sport was built and it's that type of racing that fills the stands at tracks like Langley and South Boston.

The drivers are going to complain about it because they like tracks like Fontana where you don't have to brake hard or work the steering wheel. But the media complaining is just, ugh.

What are the negatives of NASCAR going back to its roots to attract new fans?
 
It amazes how drivers don't like tracks that put the emphasis on the drivers. If the drivers don't like the track, 99% of the time it's a good race. Not only do I think NASCAR should do more short track racing, it needs to. The attendance is falling as well as the TV ratings. I think it's foolish to blame it all on the economy. It's the product also. I've never seen a local 1.5 mile track, fans love short tracks and for damn good reasons. As far as the Eldora deal, they don't need safer barriers. They won't be doing nearly the speed to justify them. This goes for tracks like South Boston, Myrtle Beach and a lot of other great tracks NASCAR has abandoned. The drivers will never pay the bills without the fans and NASCAR won't survive without them either. Give us our racing back and we will all be happy:)
 
I find it somehow ironic that you are creating a thread about complaining. o_O

I really don't have all that much of a problem with the current crop of tracks. I would like to see the schedule reduced to one race per track. That will never happen but I can hope. Take some of those left over dates and throw in a couple more short tracks and road courses.
 
It can improve with the current drivers and media but it won't improve with the current management team.
 
I don't know how much longer NASCAR can use Dale Earnhardt's death as an excuse to water down their product in a way that completely turns fans off. These 1.5 mile tracks -- most of the time, the racing just isn't very good. It's races like The Night Race at Bristol, Martinsville, North Wilkesboro, the old Richmond Fairgrounds track... it's tracks like those that turn fans on.

It's fine to have endurance races at these brobdingnagians but nine times out of ten, those races leave a lot to be desired. And the Truck Series -- I think Rockingham showed a standalone Truck race can do well. I don't think most of the Truck races that are run with the Cup Series get more than what showed up at The Rock except maybe Daytona. Not as many fans are staying around for three day shows anymore.

I used to love the old Busch Grand National races more than the Cup Series. And the Supertruck Series running around the bullrings. That's what sells tickets. Now, neither of those series have their own identity since they're at a bunch of Cup Series tracks with a bunch of Cup Series drivers running the races.
 
VaDirt said:
Sorry, but it needed it. And face it, the correction I made was accurate.:p
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Now, VADirt, you know I enjoy real racing. When a race is good, I enjoy it. I enjoyed the hell out of the Martinsville LMSC 300, the TUMS 500 and the Phoenix race. Not to mention the countless instant classics I've enjoyed at Potomac. But go ahead and tell me about how the only thing I do is complain about racing.

mike honcho said:
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Got a bandana on over there, internet tough guy?
 
mike honcho said:
Good cause frankly the weather sucks on your end and you hog all the hot dogs.:D
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Thegroundpounder99 said:
It amazes how drivers don't like tracks that put the emphasis on the drivers. If the drivers don't like the track, 99% of the time it's a good race. Not only do I think NASCAR should do more short track racing, it needs to. The attendance is falling as well as the TV ratings. I think it's foolish to blame it all on the economy. It's the product also. I've never seen a local 1.5 mile track, fans love short tracks and for damn good reasons. As far as the Eldora deal, they don't need safer barriers. They won't be doing nearly the speed to justify them. This goes for tracks like South Boston, Myrtle Beach and a lot of other great tracks NASCAR has abandoned. The drivers will never pay the bills without the fans and NASCAR won't survive without them either. Give us our racing back and we will all be happy:)
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I've always thought it would be cool to build a track like Martinsville but stretch the straights to a 1/4 mile, what do you think?
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
Think it'd be a pretty cool track. Goodyear would have to beef up the bead of the tire though cause you'd be using some serious brake. :D
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Right and that's the point, would you set the car up to come off the corner as fast as posible and brake hard or come off the corner gently and brake earlier which would be faster in the long run, save your tires or pit 50 times...Hmm. I think it would depend on Goodyear and what kind of tire they come up with. Oh and the track would have 3 wide lanes.
 
Dwayne said:
Right and that's the point, would you set the car up to come off the corner as fast as posible and brake hard or come off the corner gently and brake earlier which would be faster in the long run, save your tires or pit 50 times...Hmm. I think it would depend on Goodyear and what kind of tire they come up with. Oh and the track would have 3 wide lanes.
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My two cents you need to be fast off the corners, I agree with the gentle part or not spinning the tires. I think it is harder to pass someone who is fast off the corners. The lower gear that probably is being used also helps naturally to slow down enter in the corners. Even with 1/4 mile straights the rhythm is a must.

That's what I love about tracks like this were you must have and and not abuse the brakes. I do not care for the places were you never brake and run flat out the whole lap.
 
The media is complaining about trucks going to Eldora because 1) they won't to go in the middle of nowhere and 2) they don't want to get dirty. If none of them want to go there and cover, they can give me a call and I'll cover it for them.
 
MRM said:
The media is complaining about trucks going to Eldora because 1) they won't to go in the middle of nowhere and 2) they don't want to get dirty. If none of them want to go there and cover, they can give me a call and I'll cover it for them.
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This pretty much sums it up. NASCAR reporters will go to an IndyCar race before they go to a short track.
 
Dwayne said:
I've always thought it would be cool to build a track like Martinsville but stretch the straights to a 1/4 mile, what do you think?
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You mean like Loudon? o_O

MRM said:
The media is complaining about trucks going to Eldora because 1) they won't to go in the middle of nowhere and 2) they don't want to get dirty. If none of them want to go there and cover, they can give me a call and I'll cover it for them.
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Need someone to carry your luggage?
 
Dwayne said:
No Loudon has 1,500 foot straights and wider corners, I'm talking about a track with tight Martinsville (they call it the paperclip) corners but with 1/4 mile straights.
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So a drag strip where you turn around
 
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