Carl Long's suspension reduced

So very nice of good ole NASCAR, you guys are all right, golly gee aw shucks!!!

You really helped the man out, kudos to NASCAR!
 
I think Carl should be thankful he got that. I'm surprised they even reduced the suspension.

Nothing against the man, but NASCAR's hands are tied. Messing with the engine (intentional or not) is the sacred cow of the sport. You just don't do that. Historicaly, they've always handed out huge penalties for this kind of infraction.

If they ended up reducing the fine, then it would undermine the integrity of the sport. To put this in prospective, it would be like the MLB handing Manny Ramirez a 50 game suspension for failing a PED test, then letting him come back in a week.

I understand he's a little fish, and this really hurts him. I do feel for him, but he got caught. Like it or not NASCAR has to uphold the law or risk undermining the whole rule book.
 
NASCRAPS hands are tied? Give me a friggin break!! They can do what ever they want.
The fine still stands so the reduction in the suspension is worthless.

Undermine the integrity of the sport? Sounds like you been sippin' on Brian Frances' cough syrup.
 
83WynnsOlds said:
NASCRAPS hands are tied? Give me a friggin break!! They can do what ever they want.
The fine still stands so the reduction in the suspension is worthless.

Undermine the integrity of the sport? Sounds like you been sippin' on Brian Frances' cough syrup.
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From an objective standpoint, an inconsistent ruling would undermine the integrity of the sport. Granted, NASCAR has been less then consistent on it's rulings, except when it comes to the engine. As I said, this is the sacred cow. Look at how MLB and other pro-sports have handled the PED issue (their sacred cow).

Imagine if NASCAR blundered this case as badly has MLB has handled A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. MLB is a distant 3rd in TV ratings behind NASCAR and the NFL, and dropping fast. Everytime a new player is caught using PEDs, more people lose faith in the sport. At this rate MLS will have larger crowds and better TV ratings then MLB.

True, NASCAR can do what ever they want, but their hands are tied because they don't really have a choice. The consequences for publicly helping Carl Long would be much worse then sticking to the rulebook. Helping him might appease the purist fan for about 5 seconds, but then they'd find something new to be pissed off about. Besides, the number of NASCAR fans that are really upset about this ruling is very small. They may be loud and vocal about it, but that doesn't mean they're the majority.

Don't cry or lose any sleep over Carl Long because he's certainly not losing sleep over your feelings. The other drivers are already pitching in to help raise money for him. Hell, for all we known Brian France could have cut him a check from his personal bank account as a "gift."

Carl Long will race again another day. But you can bet he'll triple check the engines he puts in his cars from now on. ;)
 
Small fish yes, hands tied, whatever. Yes his engine was oversized, yes again the rules. But why slam a small fish with such a BIG FINE. Suspend him for the rest of the year would be good enough, don't handcuff the "Small fish" to keep him from coming back one day. The Association should care about the small fish, cause NASCAR once one also.

I don't condone cheating, and think you should be penalized when caught. If it was one of the top teams and you needed to send a message, yes fine the heck out of them. But a "Small Fish" in NASCAR'S big pond, give the man .017 of a break.
 
Well Ole D.W. needs to hit the hip and help Carl out, since Carl gave up his ride to Darrell in his last 600. Carl made the race, and turned his car over to Darrell who didn't.
 
GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN said:
Well Ole D.W. needs to hit the hip and help Carl out, since Carl gave up his ride to Darrell in his last 600. Carl made the race, and turned his car over to Darrell who didn't.
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I am sure the ride was BOUGHT at the time. Carl knew it was in better hands to start with with 'OL DW. LOL:beerbang:
 
foehammer111 said:
I think Carl should be thankful he got that. I'm surprised they even reduced the suspension.

Nothing against the man, but NASCAR's hands are tied. Messing with the engine (intentional or not) is the sacred cow of the sport. You just don't do that. Historicaly, they've always handed out huge penalties for this kind of infraction.
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Do you honestly believe that if Jeffie, Junior, Johnson, Stewart, Edwards or any of the rest of the big names were to have been caught with an engine as "oversized" as Longs was said to be, NA__AR would have had those drivers sit out eight races?

The fine? Probably. But keeping their biggest tee-shirt sellers off the track as a punitive measure? Not under the current reign!
 
John Galt said:
Do you honestly believe that if Jeffie, Junior, Johnson, Stewart, Edwards or any of the rest of the big names were to have been caught with an engine as "oversized" as Longs was said to be, NA__AR would have had those drivers sit out eight races?

The fine? Probably. But keeping their biggest tee-shirt sellers off the track as a punitive measure? Not under the current reign!
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This is exactly what has upset me from the start of this mess. Last year two drivers brought highly modified COT cars to the track and the penalty was crap. Even after they were told not to mess with the car....
 
Smoke14 said:
This is exactly what has upset me from the start of this mess. Last year two crew chiefs brought highly modified COT cars to the track and the penalty was crap. Even after they were told not to mess with the car....
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:fixed:
 
John Galt said:
Do you honestly believe that if Jeffie, Junior, Johnson, Stewart, Edwards or any of the rest of the big names were to have been caught with an engine as "oversized" as Longs was said to be, NA__AR would have had those drivers sit out eight races?
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Absolutely, and NASCAR has been doing this for years. Even during the "good old days."

Richard Petty was fined a record amount in the 1983 for this exact infraction. He won the race, and back then they only did post-race inspections the winners car. They found that he had a massive 388ci engine. NASCAR let him keep the win, but fined him I think was close to $100k. That was some serious change back then.

Again, there's no point is getting upset about it because Carl is going to be OK. I feel bad that the "little fish" got caught, but there's a reason teams like HMS don't dick around with the engine.

Just as an FYI, all those CoT violations didn't have anything to do with the engine. Thus, the fines were not as severe as what Carl got.
 
A little history of rock&roll, for anyone who might not be aware (I'm going from memory here so if I'm misadvising, someone slap me):
This Twelve Week Suspension Rule goes back to Richard's win at Charlotte in...? 1988 or 1989. He won with an engine which mike'd out at around 20 (that 2-0, with no decimal in front) c.i. over the 358 limit! he kept the win, got a 100 point penalty and was docked $35K. He won $40K so he still came out $5K to the good. NASCAR decreed that thereafter anyone getting caught with an illegal engine would get fined PLUS a twelve week suspension.

A couple years later Junior Johnson and Tim Brewer put an engine in Geoff Bodine's car with was slightly over (I don't remember the exact amount but I think it was less that a couple of cubic inches). Brewer and Johnson got suspended for twelve weeks but got it reduced to four after an appeal. Bodine wasn't held responsible and he and the car continued to race.

I can't think of another example of an over sized engine since then. Does anyone else?

So, it would appear that oversized engines are exactly epidemic (unlike tinkering with the car bodies and suspensions, which they were fairly regularly). So, Long's fine for a .17 over sized second hand engine, in my opinion was like destroying an anthill with a small thermonuclear device. NA__AR sent a VERY clear message: If you can't field more than one or two cars and if you can't bring a high-rolling sponsor to NA__AR, you better play by the rules or you're in deep kimchi if caught.
 
foehammer111 said:
Absolutely, and NASCAR has been doing this for years. Even during the "good old days."

Richard Petty was fined a record amount in the 1983 for this exact infraction. He won the race, and back then they only did post-race inspections the winners car. They found that he had a massive 388ci engine. NASCAR let him keep the win, but fined him I think was close to $100k. That was some serious change back then.

Again, there's no point is getting upset about it because Carl is going to be OK. I feel bad that the "little fish" got caught, but there's a reason teams like HMS don't dick around with the engine.

Just as an FYI, all those CoT violations didn't have anything to do with the engine. Thus, the fines were not as severe as what Carl got.
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Carl is suspended. What was his primary job? He isn't allowed at the track. The fine AND the suspesion is going to KILL him and his family.

RP was fined heavily for the same offense but RP was allowed to race and earn more $$$$$$.
 
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