Change the points system?

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With all the hoopla surrounding the should we/ shouldn't we tamper with the point system one overlooked fact is this:

There do exist other proposed revamped ways of reckoning Nascar's top level series. Richard Sowers and his DGPI(drivers grade point ndex)is one thats actually
quite workable. It fulfills the need to reward accomplishment over consitency, rewards different possible points for different type's of tracks, etc. Others have expounded on these or similar idea.

That might be fine for the future, might be past time for change in fact.

Just don't use one of these new systems and look backwards.

For instance, using Mr. Sowers(Complete Nascar stats and facts book) Dale Earnhardt actually 'only' has SIX titles for instance, Pearson has FOUR and Elliott has two.Changes the look of things now doesn't it?Sure purist will say: 'Yeah, but those titles were won/lost by the system in place at the TIME.'

Well, yeah.

But those very systems were deemed unworkable and rplaced with more functional sytems werent they? They were considered flawed or the need to replace them would not have been there.


Now no doubt whats written in NASCAR stone is there for the long haul. It just isn't smart to tamper with legends after all.

So that would leave the question in the ultimately accepted(as if NASCAR would have the fortitude to actually take a stand) pont reckoning will history eventually draw abstract lines and say THIS ERA ENDS/THIS ONE BEGINS here..or will the new and finalized point reckoning system be just another novelty? Even worse would a new point system invalidate all prior era's sytems when a comparision is drawn?

Well, hell...I don't even pretend to know and an arguement could be made for the factall the drivers competed under the same rules AT THE SAME time.

Thats true enough...but they might still be found lacking when compared to the ultimate system. Just something to consider. A little food for thought.
 
2004 would be a great time to modify the points system IMO,there're so many changes occurring in 2004 with a new CEO(started 2003),a new series(Nextel vs. Winston Cup),a new fuel(Sunoco),Pontiac's leaving(again),so what's one more major change to the Series? :eek:
 
Nice to see you 97. This isn't against you,

I have one little thing that bothers me:

When people go back in time, something we can't change, and say " so and so would have won under the new points system". You can't really say that, because we don't know how the team would have made decisions, on tires, fuel, pit or not pit that day.
Am I right or am I being a dumb ass?
 
No, actually you raise a pretty good point Buck....I think it was this whole post that dropped the ball a little! Hey, it was my first racing related post since I was down a while. I am a little rusty. :wacko:
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Dec 16 2003, 07:36 PM
No, actually you raise a pretty good point Buck....I think it was this whole post that dropped the ball a little! Hey, it was my first racing related post since I was down a while. I am a little rusty. :wacko:
And, you will be just fine. I thought the whole point of posting some topics was to bring about a discussion about something. Did I miss something? ;)
 
NASCAR changed the point system in 1975. That didn't invalidate the championships won from 1949 to 1974.

NASCAR changed the system in 1975 not because they didn't beleive the most desreving driving was winning, but because they thought the system in use was too difficult for the average person to figure out and also because it didn't encourage teams to show up every week.

Just remember that when NASCAR created the current system, they weren't concerned with creating some mythical perfect system to determine the best driver, they were trying to get teams to show up every week.
 
NNextel to meet with NASCAR about points system: Nextel Communications, which takes over as sponsor for NASCAR's Cup series in 2004, is meeting with NASCAR this week to seek information about a proposed addition of a playoff format to its top series, officials with the sponsor confirmed Tuesday. Nextel, which signed a 10-year deal in June to sponsor the Cup series, was not informed of NASCAR's desire to change the current points system before its deal with NASCAR was completed, sources confirmed. NASCAR officials maintain they are seriously considering a plan that would create a 26-race "regular season" and 10-race playoff format. Only the top-10 drivers in points after 26 races would be eligible to race for the championship over the final 10 races. A decision is expected next month. Since the plan first became widely circulated during the annual Cup awards banquet weekend in New York, Nextel has received an "overwhelming" response regarding the proposal from fans, sources said. Fans have flooded Internet message boards and radio talk shows discussing the playoff system. Some have mistakenly credited Nextel with pushing for the change. The plan, however, has been promoted heavily by new NASCAR chairman Brian France. In two recent Internet polls - one which is still underway - race fans have overwhelmingly expressed their disapproval with the playoff format.
A poll on ThatsRacin.com last week asked fans if NASCAR should adopt the "26-10" playoff-style points system in 2004. Of the nearly 4,600 responses, over 85-percent said 'no.'

Another poll on jayski.com asking if the NASCAR points system should be changed has elicited nearly 20,000 votes, with 55-percent saying 'no.' Of the seven choices given to change the system, the playoff format currently under consideration had 924 votes, or 4.69-percent as of Tuesday.

Cup drivers Kevin Harvick and 2002 champion Tony Stewart have recently expressed support of the current points system, with Harvick preferring a small points addition for winning a race. Ford Racing officials reached Tuesday said they would reserve comment on the playoff format until they received more specifics of the proposal from NASCAR.(ThatsRacin.com)

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Actually, I thought "the playoff format" was Jimmy Spencer's idea? :unsure: He talked about it on Inside WC Racing the day after Rockingham. Said he mentioned the idea to Brian France. :unsure:
 
Originally posted by 17_Fan@Dec 17 2003, 01:47 PM
Actually, I thought "the playoff format" was Jimmy Spencer's idea? :unsure: He talked about it on Inside WC Racing the day after Rockingham. Said he mentioned the idea to Brian France. :unsure:
I think it was the other way around. Brian France mentioned it to Spencer at Homestead.

Spencer did then go on IWC and talk about it.
 
it's gonna happen people, the suits are warming up to the idea and if it's france's idea then it will ha ppen. The only way it won't happen is if some of the big sponsors don't like it, it does'nt even matter if some of the driver don't like it, if nextel says do it, it will be done.
 
Well, the fans don't like it, the drivers don't like it, and I'm sure the owners don"t like it. It will happen and I hate it!
 
I read somewhere that the fans have been contacting Nextel & complaining that Nextel was ruining the series with this new points program.
Nextel wanted a meeting with na$car over the issue.
So maybe if the fans keep complaining na$car will see thru the smokie room & decide this new program is a joke that it is.

I sure hope it doesn't happen. It's the stupidest thing I've seen na$car come up with.
 
Originally posted by eeff@Dec 18 2003, 09:02 AM
I read somewhere that the fans have been contacting Nextel & complaining that Nextel was ruining the series with this new points program.
Nextel wanted a meeting with na$car over the issue.
So maybe if the fans keep complaining na$car will see thru the smokie room & decide this new program is a joke that it is.

I sure hope it doesn't happen. It's the stupidest thing I've seen na$car come up with.
I'm sure that NASCAR will come up with something stupider :eek: :lol: j/k :D
 
Originally posted by 24thunder+Dec 18 2003, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (24thunder @ Dec 18 2003, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--eeff@Dec 18 2003, 09:02 AM
I read somewhere that the fans have been contacting Nextel & complaining that Nextel was ruining the series with this new points program.
Nextel wanted a meeting with na$car over the issue.
So maybe if the fans keep complaining na$car will see thru the smokie room & decide this new program is a joke that it is.

I sure hope it doesn't happen. It's the stupidest thing I've seen na$car come up with.
I'm sure that NASCAR will come up with something stupider :eek: :lol: j/k :D [/b][/quote]
you may be right 24!
 
I dont agree with this new system proposel but I do think its time for a change, same goes for the bcs and quite a few other sports.
 
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