Changes In Store For 2004?

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Last week in New York, NASCAR discussed a couple of changes that haven't been totally finalized for 2004. Sometimes it takes NASCAR a while to respond, but they have addressed one situation that the NASCAR on FOX crew raised last year. Plus they plan to adjust the provisional process.

When a car is held on pit road, the team, the fans and the media all want to know why immediately. There was just no clear-cut way of doing it though. An official could scream at a crew chief with 43 cars running around and making noise, but the message didn't always get across. Eventually the television and radio people got the message, but sometimes it took several laps. Could you imagine going to a football game and watching a team get penalized 15 yards but not knowing why?
For four or five of the major rule infractions, NASCAR will come up with hand signals, just like a referee in football. It's neat because the crew chief, the fans who can see that pit box and the media will know right away.


Fewer free passes
NASCAR is looking at changing the provisional system, and while these changes aren't completely set in stone, I think I can safely say there won't be seven provisional positions for next year's races. We've reached a point where provisionals need to be scaled back so we probably will see three to five provisionals per race. You've got to protect the top guys in points because with one round of qualifying, you do stand the chance of someone losing an engine or wrecking. Could you imagine going to Rockingham and the reigning Winston Cup champion Matt Kenseth missing the field because he lost an engine? While NASCAR has to protect those top guys, seven provisionals might have been a big number. Next year, the fastest 38 or 40 cars will get in the field with three to five on provisionals.
In the past, if you were in the top 25 in points, you weren't charged a provisional. Now if you use it, you lose it -- no matter where you are. People who are usually up in the points can run out of provisionals. If you were in the top 35 in Winston Cup points in 2003, you get four when the season starts. After six races, you get another one. After six more races, you get another one. In 2001, Elliott Sadler and the 21 car used 15 provisional starts, but since he was high enough in the points, he wasn't charged for any of them. Now those opportunities will go away, and it will put a little more pressure on some teams that are decent in points but end up using a lot of provisionals.


Points may discourage wrecked cars from returning
There has been a lot of talk about the final 10 races being a playoff. I don't look for that kind of change. I tend to believe that our people at FOX would not let that happen because that would not be very good for us since we broadcast the first half.
NASCAR did not address the points situation in New York, but I do think a change will be made. It will be something like a few more bonus points for winning, whether it be 25 or another number. I also have heard that NASCAR might look for a system that discourages teams from going in the garage area and repairing a wreck or making a major repair when they are 50, 75 or 100 laps down. I'm speculating, but to discourage cars from returning to the race, NASCAR could pay the same points from 30th through 43rd. That might not be a bad solution.

We've talked and talked about the points system for a long time. Does our system need a little adjustment? Maybe so. But it's not broken because it is the same system the Busch and Truck Series use, and how does it get any better than those two series headed to Homestead? If you gave everybody who won a race 25 extra points for their 2003 wins, it wouldn't change the outcome of the championship.

The one reason I don't like this final eight- or 10-race dash -- and maybe I'm a little partial because I work for FOX -- is a racing championship is about what you do from the time the green flag falls at Daytona in February to the time the checkered flag falls in Homestead. It's not about what you do the final eight or 10 races.
 
I can't believe NASCAR would even propose such a terrible idea for a new points system. Yeah, sure, my favorite driver Michael Waltrip would have stayed in the top-10 this season under these new proposed rules, but with the terrible last portion of the season he had, he didn't belong there. Nascar has always rewarded teams that can be consistent all season long, and driver's biggest complaints have been rewarding more points to winners or even to pole winners, but I don't think most drivers are going to agree with locking the top-10.

New announcement: NASCAR is changing it's name to EXTREMECAR. It sounds more exciting and NASCAR wants to change everything else with Nextel coming in, so why not.
 
I'm against any 10 race play-off(?) in the point standings.I do like the proposed amendments to the provisional system,as regards both cutting down of the number of provisionals to 3 to 5 positions,as well as charging any team for using a provisional,regardless of points position,this is a good thing IMO.
I'm for awarding 10 more points(excludes any bonus points)to the race winner,but do think that 25 more points might lean too heavily to winning and cause more accidents/injuries as drivers in the Top 5 would be more apt to make some very dangerous moves for that win,some of those moves would doubtless backfire on Them and cause some nasty accidents,JMO :eek: ;)
 
Hmm...I think I'm the only one here that thinks the "playoff" deal would be cool. But, I think its should be for only 5-7 races and include the top 15 drivers.
 
Originally posted by 66mustang@Dec 10 2003, 03:58 PM
Hmm...I think I'm the only one here that thinks the "playoff" deal would be cool. But, I think its should be for only 5-7 races and include the top 15 drivers.
If the Top 15 drivers were included in the final races of the season,I could go along with as the 11th through the 15th place drivers could still battle Their way into the Top 10 in point standings by season's end,this would be more fair than just cutting off every driver below the 10th position in points IMHO.This still isn't My fave option,but more favorable IMO than just the Top 10 going at it for the final Champion to be crowned.
 
For four or five of the major rule infractions, NASCAR will come up with hand signals, just like a referee in football. It's neat because the crew chief, the fans who can see that pit box and the media will know right away.



I always thought there were plenty of hand signals in racing already, especially when a driver is penalized on pit road. :lol:
 
The "Playoff" idea is interesting to me! I like it although it seems like an unfair way to do business! It will bring some more excitement to the series! Just think of the hard racing we will see all year long! The drivers will have to fight for every position to get in that top 10 for the last 10 races >> then it is no holds barred for 10 races for the top 10!

If this change is not made >> The winner of each race should get at least 10 additional points over the current system!
 
Originally posted by rajflyboy@Dec 15 2003, 12:07 PM
The "Playoff" idea is interesting to me! I like it although it seems like an unfair way to do business! It will bring some more excitement to the series! Just think of the hard racing we will see all year long! The drivers will have to fight for every position to get in that top 10 for the last 10 races >> then it is no holds barred for 10 races for the top 10!

If this change is not made >> The winner of each race should get at least 10 additional points over the current system!
From That's Racin'

Why not shuffle the whole deck
while NASCAR ponders playoffs?
By DAVID POOLE
The Charlotte Observer

If you're going to do it, do it right. ...
Since NASCAR seems to be convinced it needs a 10-race "postseason" to generate interest in the race for the Nextel Cup in 2004 and beyond, here are some ideas for making such a system work:


The right plan

One sensible way the idea could be set up:

Step 1: After 26 races, the top 10 in points make the 10-race "playoff" run. Any driver winning three "regular-season" races but not in the top 10 also makes the playoffs.

Step 2: After five playoff races the driver from the original top 10 with the fewest points in those races is eliminated from title competition. His spot goes to the wild card, the driver not in the original top 10 with the most points in those five races. The wild-card qualifier has 100 points subtracted from his total from the first five playoff races.

Step 3: The drivers in this final top 10 compete for the championship. Their positions in the final top 10 are based only on points scored over the final 10 races, with the points total from the entire season being the first tie-breaker. Points fund money for positions 11 through 25 goes to the remaining drivers based on points scored in all 36 races.


The impact

How the plan above would have affected the outcome of the past eight seasons:


1996

What did happen: Terry Labonte holds on to beat Hendrick Motorsports teammate Jeff Gordon by 37 points and Dale Jarrett by 89.

What could have happened: With two wins and three second-place finishes, Gordon jumps to 119-point lead over Mark Martin after five playoff races as Bobby Hamilton gets the wild car and Ricky Rudd is bumped. Gordon leads by 161 points with four races to go, but finishes 31st at Charlotte and loses momentum. With one race left, Martin is 22 points back with Dale Jarrett 49 back and Labonte 87 behind. But Gordon holds on.


Final top 10:

1. Jeff Gordon, 1617

2. Mark Martin, 1576

3. Dale Jarrett, 1568

4. Terry Labonte, 1520

5. Dale Earnhardt, 1324

6. Bobby Hamilton, 1267

7. Rusty Wallace, 1214

8. Sterling Marlin, 1152

9. Ernie Irvan, 1051

10. Ken Schrader, 993


1997

What did happen: Jeff Gordon, with 10 victories on the year, finishes 17th in the final race at Atlanta to hang on and beat Dale Jarrett by 17 points and Mark Martin by 29.

What could have happened: Gordon leads by 60 with Bobby Hamilton gets the wild card, knocking out Terry Labonte. But Dale Jarrett wins at Charlotte to close within 39 points, then takes the lead at Talladega with a 21st-place finish because Gordon winds up 35th. Jarrett then pulls away with finishes of second, first and second down the stretch.


Final top 10

1. Dale Jarrett, 1597

2. Jeff Gordon, 1453

3. Mark Martin, 1411

4. Dale Earnhardt, 1351

5. Bobby Labonte, 1341

6. Jeff Burton, 1306

7. Bill Elliott, 1245

8. Bobby Hamilton, 1220

9. Ted Musgrave, 959

10. Ricky Rudd, 796


1998

What did happen: Jeff Gordon wins 13 races and romps to the title by 364 points over Martin and 709 points over Jarrett.

What could have happened: Not even the new system would have turned this points race into a competitive contest. He wins the title by 249 points over Jeff Burton. For the third straight year, Bobby Hamilton wins the wild-card berth, knocking out Dale Earnhardt and Terry Labonte. Two people are bumped because Ken Schrader and John Andretti were tied for 10th after the regular season.


Final top 10

1. Jeff Gordon, 1731

2. Jeff Burton, 1482

3. Mark Martin, 1434

4. Rusty Wallace, 1326

5. Dale Jarrett, 1260

6. Bobby Hamilton, 1217

7. Jeremy Mayfield, 1155

8. John Andretti, 1110

9. Bobby Labonte, 1097

(tie) Ken Schrader, 1097


1999

What did happen: Dale Jarrett clinches the championship with one race to go and winds up beating Bobby Labonte by 201 points and Mark Martin by 319.

What could have happened: Tony Stewart's 41st place finish drops him from the lead to fourth in the standings with six races left. Mike Skinner gets the wild card with five to go, knocking out Terry Labonte. Bobby Labonte, who took over the top spot at Martinsville, finishes second at Charlotte and no lower than seventh the rest of the way to win the title comfortably.


The final top 10

1. Bobby Labonte, 1688

2. Dale Jarrett, 1569

3. Tony Stewart, 1451

4. Mark Martin, 1418

5. Dale Earnhardt, 1351

6. Jeff Burton, 1341

7. Ward Burton, 1337

8. Rusty Wallace, 1273

9. Jeff Gordon, 1269

10. Mike Skinner, 1188


2000

What did happen: Bobby Labonte clinches with a race to go and finishes 265 points ahead of Dale Earnhardt in the final standings.

What could have happened: After Johnny Benson gets the wild card, bumping Ward Burton, the season builds to a dramatic conclusion. Ricky Rudd leads by 96 points with three races to go, but a bad day at Phoenix leaves Bobby Labonte three points back, Jeff Burton four behind, Jeff Gordon 10 back, Dale Earnhardt 16 behind and Tony Stewart 32 out of the lead. With one race left, Labonte takes a seven-point lead over Rudd with Stewart just nine back and five drivers within 36 points of the lead. Labonte wins by 21 over Gordon and Burton.


The final top 10

1. Bobby Labonte, 1492

2. Jeff Gordon, 1471

3. Jeff Burton, 1471

4. Dale Earnhardt, 1432

5. Ricky Rudd, 1416

6. Tony Stewart, 1372

7. Rusty Wallace, 1303

8. Mark Martin, 1288

9. Dale Jarrett, 1165

10. Johnny Benson, 1120


2001

What did happen: Jeff Gordon clinches the championship at Atlanta, one race before the end of the season, and wins the title by 349 points over Tony Stewart.

What could have happened: Gordon takes a six-point lead with five drivers within 61 points of first as Jeff Burton gets the wild card, bumping Johnny Benson. When Gordon finishes 25th at Rockingham, Stewart moves 11 points ahead of the pack with a seventh-place finish. After Homestead, Stewart leads Sterling Marlin by 20, Burton by 45 and Gordon by 48. Marlin finishes second at Atlanta and takes a 12-point lead into the delayed finale at New Hampshire. Marlin locks it up with a runner-up finish at Loudon.


The final top 10

1. Sterling Marlin, 1439

2. Tony Stewart, 1407

3. Jeff Gordon, 1344

4. Jeff Burton, 1315

5. Bobby Labonte, 1294

6. Rusty Wallace, 1256

7. Dale Jarrett, 1237

8. Dale Earnhardt Jr., 1216

9. Kevin Harvick, 1176

10. Ricky Rudd, 1160


2002

What did happen: Sterling Marlin's injury opens the door for Tony Stewart, who holds off Mark Martin by 38 points. Kurt Busch wins three of the season's final five races to rally for third in the standings.

What could have happened: Busch's late-season surge comes too late as Dale Earnhardt Jr. edges him 709-698 to earn the wild-card spot, bumping out Sterling Marlin. With five races left, Stewart's lead is just seven points over Ryan Newman. But Stewart pulls away over the final five races, however, going into the finale at Homestead with a 95-point edge.


The final top 10

1. Tony Stewart, 1474

2. Ryan Newman, 1425

3. Mark Martin, 1357

4. Jeff Gordon, 1329

5. Rusty Wallace, 1306

6. Dale Earnhardt Jr., 1255

7. Matt Kenseth, 1241

8. Jimmie Johnson, 1233

9. Ricky Rudd, 1132

10. Bill Elliott, 903


2003

What did happen: Matt Kenseth leads from the season's fourth week and finishes 90 points over Jimmie Johnson in the final standings.

What could have happened: Ryan Newman leads by 104 points with five to go as Tony Stewart edges Bill Elliott for the wild card and bumps Kurt Busch. Newman's lead dwindles, however, to five points over Jimmie Johnson and 50 over Jeff Gordon going into the last race. The Homestead results leave Johnson 55 points ahead of Gordon and 133 in front of Newman at season's end.


The final top 10

1. Jimmie Johnson, 1569

2. Jeff Gordon, 1514

3. Ryan Newman, 1456

4. Tony Stewart, 1431

5. Dale Earnhardt Jr., 1369

6. Kevin Harvick, 1347

7. Bobby Labonte, 1169

8. Matt Kenseth, 1158

9. Terry Labonte, 1080

10. Michael Watlrip, 855


The options

Tweaks to this basic plan that might be worth thinking about, along with some of the pros and cons to each:


The "three-win" exemption

The deal: A driver with three "regular season" race wins automatically makes the playoff round, even if he's not in the top 10 in points.

Pros: Places an emphasis on winning races in regular-season. ...Would rarely matter - since 1996, no driver with three or more wins with 10 races to go was outside the top 10. ...Ensures a driver who's won a bunch of races doesn't get left out of title race.

Cons: Dilutes focus on making top 10. ...Worst-case scenario? A driver on one team with three wins takes a dive to let teammate past him into regular-season top 10.

Alternative: Give a playoff spot to the driver outside the top 10 with the most race victories. In case of a tie, the guy highest in points gets the spot.


The wild card

The deal: After five playoff races, the driver in the championship bracket with the fewest points is bumped and replaced by the driver from outside the top 10 who has the most points in those races. Because he's getting a second chance, though, the wild-card recipient loses 100 points going into the final five races.

Pros: Gives everybody something to race for, a real second chance to salvage a season. ...Provides another "race" to follow in those races, the battle for that position. ...Keeps pressure on those in original top 10 to keep performance up.

Con: Takes away some of reward for being good enough to make the top 10 in regular season. ...The 100-point penalty would be difficult if not impossible to overcome.

Alternative: Subtract 50 points from the wild-card driver's total. You have to subtract some, though. There has to be some cost for not getting a spot after the regular season.


Make the regular season count

Give the regular-season top 10 bonus points to start the postseason with. First place after 26 races starts with 100 points, second with 80, third with 65, fourth with 50 and then 40-30-20-10-5-0 for the rest of the top 10.

Pros: Makes it important to finish as high as you can in regular-season, not just be one of 10. ...Doesn't completely erase accomplishments from the first 26 races. ...Amounts to "home-field advantage" found in other sports.

Con: Whole idea is to make competition close in final 10 races, so putting gaps between contenders from start is counter-productive.


Changing the points, too

Changes in how points are awarded could also be made, including giving a race winner more points, changing how bonus points for leading laps are awarded and/or adding points for top qualifiers.

Pros: Do all the major changes at once. ...There's wide agreement that a race winner should get more points than anyone else, which doesn't always happen now. That needs to be fixed regardless of what else is done.

Con: How much change can the fans digest at one time?...Give the new plan a year or two and see how it works first.


And while we're on the subject...

Fix the schedule: Flip Richmond and New Hampshire, making Richmond the first playoff race. That puts two short tracks into the postseason. Flop Kansas to Labor Day and into the regular season, moving California to a playoff race, too. Or, put Darlington back on Labor Day where it belongs and move California into the postseason.

Owner's championship: Make the car owner's championship important again by giving it to the team that scores the most points in all 36 races. What's another 10 minutes at the 41/2-hour awards ceremony?

Pitfalls of teamwork: Make it clear that anything that even looks like team orders to try to change who makes the top 10 won't be tolerated. And that goes double for anybody out of the championship picture running interference for a buddy in those final 10 races.
 
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