Cheaters banned for life?

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I think Yates is taking this a little too far...




Veteran NASCAR car owner Robert Yates said Friday that if Jimmie Johnson’s crew chief Chad Knaus was found guilty of deliberate and flagrant cheating by NASCAR that he should be banished from the sport for life.

If Knaus merely skirted the rules, Yates added, than probation would be the appropriate punishment.

“If what he did, there was language in the rules about not doing that particular thing, then he ought to go race the Talladega Short Track the rest of his life,” Yates said of Knaus. “If the (NASCAR rule book) language covered that area … gone. Just gone forever, because that’s just stealing.”

“If (what Knaus was caught with) was a hydraulic system, or a little winch that pulls a cable so the rear-end housing … pulls his body down, outta here, outta from now on. That’s a device. That’s clear,” Yates said. “If it was a creation that was not covered by the language or intent, then I think he needs to be on probation for a while.”

Talladega Short Track is a half-mile dirt track located about a mile from Talladega Superspeedway. NASCAR doesn’t race at the short track.

Knaus was ejected from Daytona 500 Sunday after NASCAR inspectors discovered he had altered a rear jack bolt to move the rear window on the No. 48 Hendrick Motorsports Chevrolet in an attempt to improve aerodynamics.

After ejecting Knaus, NASCAR sent him back to North Carolina for the remainder of Speedweeks and said that next week it may levy additional penalties, including a longer suspension and point fines.

Car owner Bill Davis suggested that Knaus and Johnson should receive a stiff points penalty. “I don’t know what the answer is. They’ve tried money, they’ve tried suspension,” said David. “To me, money’s not the answer. Send ‘em home? There’s always a guy standing in the wings. I’ve been saying this for years: If they want to eliminate this stuff, it ought to be points.

“Nothing impacts a team — a sponsor, an owner, a driver, the whole package — any more than points,” said Davis, who acknowledged that the 25-points penalties handed out in the past, including to the No. 48 team at Daytona in July 2002, haven’t worked.

“There’s some level of points that surely would get everybody’s level of attention,” he said.

Declining comment on the Knaus affair was car owner Richard Childress, who saw one of his crew chiefs, Todd Berrier, suspended twice last year by NASCAR. Berrier missed a total of 12 races in those two suspensions.

“I don’t want to get in on that. I wouldn’t comment on that,” Childress said. “I try to fight my own battles and let everybody have their own.”
 
BobbyFord said:
I think Yates is taking this a little too far...
I think Yates was just indicating the seriousness that cheating needs to be addressed in NASCAR. Fines don't mean that much when compared to winning or finishing among the leaders in a given race. The team owner probably gives the crew chief a rebuke (while indicating, next time don't get caught) and pays the fines. Now take away 50-100 points and you're digging yourself into a real hole. Even the cleverest of crew chiefs wouldn't be around long if their actions mean missing the chase.
 
Fines don't mean that much...

Especially considering that at the end of the year the fines are distributed back to the teams that were fined. Wasn't it Kurt Busch 2 years ago that got back more than he paid in. Missing a few races might hurt but not enough. Points, points, points. And, for those who say I constantly dog Lil'E, Jimmie is one of my favs but right is right.
 
Well you guy I think Yates is on to something..Since we ban drives for using illegal substances why not ban crew chiefs for cheating? I mean these rules are in place to guarantee the safety of the drivers. How can anyone be sure that whatever adjustment these crew chiefs are making couldn't have just a serious consequences to drivers as illegal substance abuse.
 
I work with a guy whose family owns a car racing the local circuit and one of his drivers is Bobby Hutchins, a name most of you will recognize. When I talk to Andy about cheating, the only thing he tells me is that if you don't cheat, you aren't going to win. However, you also risk the chance of getting caught and that carries the consequences.

Cheating has become a science in NASCAR, all the way down to the local level and no one was better at it than Gary Nelson, who is now working for NASCAR. But now we have Chad Knaus who could very well be equal or better than Gary and this has many teams worried. If NASCAR begins to worry too much about finding cheaters, they will lose track of everything else and that isn't good either. I think that what they have now is the best for the sport, trying to find those innovating ways that crews try to find to give them an edge.

NASCAR has made the sport so equal and the amount of money required to field a car makes winning even that much more difficult. Think of this scenario. Kirk Shelmerdine has made the Daytona 500 as a driver for the first time and though he has several championship rings as the CC for Dale Earnhardt, he has never won that race either as a crew member or of course as a driver. Do you or anyone else think that NASCAR is going to really go over his car if he finishes in the top 20? Now they probably would if he has a top ten car, but let's just say that Kirk finishes 19th. Kirk, if given the chance, would probably do something, anything that would give him an edge to be a little more equal to the other cars and I don't think that he would be singled out looking for something illegal. Now I'm not sitting her saying that Kirk is cheating, it's just a scenario that I've thrown out there. Kirk probably doesn't have the money to cheat anyway. Hell, he's got to hire a crew to work the pits for him and he's only got two hired men that work for him. :)
 
I agree money don't mean much to these teams. I also agree with taking away more points. maybe even go as far as to disallow a team to race or if it is post race no points at all. Let the car owners police their own teams, if a particular team member costs an owner to many points then let the owner fire him. A crew cheif with a bad record will ban himself.
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^ Exactly. There are 43 cheating crew chiefs out there each week.
 
how bout instead of just suspending a crew chief...suspend the entire team for the race...if your caught blatlely cheating and not in a gray area...then the team should be parked for the weekend.

it doesnt really hurt to suspend the crew chief for a race..but it will send a wake up call that cheating wont be tollerated.
 
Trey48 said:
^ Exactly. There are 43 cheating crew chiefs out there each week.

How come they keep catching only one of them?

I think that if you're caught blatently cheating, they should allow the guilty crew chief to stay at the track, make him repair the car to pass inspection, allow the car to stay in whatever position they qualified, allow the car to race and take away any and all points they accumulate. Even if they win, let them keep the trophy but take away all of the points for that race.
That'll cure 'em.
 
This has been an ongoing problem since they started racing and it isn't going to stop, no matter what you do. These guys are going to try and find a way past any rule they can. Even if you take away all their points for that race, they will still continue to find ways. I think that they will just continue as they are and judge each infraction and base the penalty on that just as we won't have our driver's lisence taken away for going ten miles an hour over the speed limit, we might have it jerked out of our hands if we are caught going 50 mph over the limit.
 
I think it's far fetched people cheat on purpose and not on purpose the rulesd are so extremely specific , one member of a team can make a mistake and use the wrong item from the wrong team or series, and it would end in lifetime suspension? The rules are becoming too tight nascar evolved rapidly and yes big money is at stake but part of racing is getting away with stuff, pushing mechanical and packages to their limits and finding loop holes and being creative working with what you have to work with.
 
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Greetings everyone...if noone minds I would like to add my 2 cents to this one.
The only way to get rid of the cheaters is to do just that--get rid of them. It's a team sport, the team needs to be responsible--take away the win, the points and the money--send the team home for one race. Harsh? Maybe, but nothing else is working.
 
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