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How long until its a joint effort from HMS and ECR, or would their be some kind of a buy out? Having two GM engine builders seems like a waste of money.

Or will RCR become the new Mr Dodge?
 
Taco said:
How long until its a joint effort from HMS and ECR, or would their be some kind of a buy out? Having two GM engine builders seems like a waste of money.

Or will RCR become the new Mr Dodge?
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I see Richard going Dodge before he merges with Hendrick. Your point is well taken, however, that this is now about a single builder per manufacturer. Wondering if everybody will end up with a formula like TRD.
 
I think with all RCR has to offer, they may be the next Dodge team. At least they could be the first team approached. But as Rev said Fiat may follow the formula for the Toyota group.
From what I have read about Fiat it is unlikely they would do that.
 
I believe Dodge had some commercials with cowboy hats, so the Dillions should fit in nicely.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Childress builds the Cadillac DPi motors that kicked major butt in the 24 Hours last weekend. Just FYI.
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I don't think Childress has ever been down on power. What gets me is they've hired all these literal doctors of engineering, and yet can't seem to put a car together that consistently keeps up with JGR, HMS, SHR, and Penske.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Childress builds the Cadillac DPi motors that kicked major butt in the 24 Hours last weekend. Just FYI.
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Seriously, who's butt did they kick in that class?
 
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MarcWiley said:
I don't think Childress has ever been down on power. What gets me is they've hired all these literal doctors of engineering, and yet can't seem to put a car together that consistently keeps up with JGR, HMS, SHR, and Penske.
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I think your not looking at how RCR might be funded. I suspect they are having to heavily discount their sponsorships and have been for quite a few years. I think they like having the chassis and engine deal so that it helps offset their own costs. Kurt did make some noise in the 78 when it was an RCR car though, he just about won a couple races with it back then. Just because a car has a sponsor on the hood has no bearing about how much they paid to get on there. I think RCR has had much the same problems as roush. Without a big name driving the car I think this has a big impact on how much money they have sold the sponsorship for. They do have paul menard which is fully funded. I suspect that has largely been whats kept them going.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
I think your not looking at how RCR might be funded. I suspect they are having to heavily discount their sponsorships and have been for quite a few years. I think they like having the chassis and engine deal so that it helps offset their own costs. Kurt did make some noise in the 78 when it was an RCR car though, he just about won a couple races with it back then. Just because a car has a sponsor on the hood has no bearing about how much they paid to get on there. I think RCR has had much the same problems as roush. Without a big name driving the car I think this has a big impact on how much money they have sold the sponsorship for. They do have paul menard which is fully funded. I suspect that has largely been whats kept them going.
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Y'know that's a good point. I'd never looked at it that way. I do remember RC saying something about how he kinda stopped caring about the race team after Dale's wreck and before his grandsons showed they were ready for Cup. Maybe now he's emotionally invested again they'll start picking up performance. They certainly showed some more in 2016.
 
I found this article interesting and somewhat related. Not Chevy, but implications for NASCAR engines in general.

Ford Says no to F1 due to high cost, road relevance.

Basically saying Ford won't do an F1 engine program because it costs a ton of money and lack of relevance to production models.

We use the track to test and improve our technologies, and bring it back into the road cars," he said. "That's working well, not just on the GT but other products as well.

"To be able to leverage that [racing] programme to polish the Ford oval and to communicate what Ford is about – our engineering prowess. It's been really powerful."
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So the obvious retort that came up immediately from the community was, "What about NASCAR?". Why is Ford involved in NASCAR if these are their stated goals? Low cost, high relevance, technological development, good marketing, these all sound like reasonable goals that I bet a lot of other manufacturers would have. Yet NASCAR seems to meet none of these right now. Going beyond attracting new manufacturers to NASCAR, could the calculus be tilting against the current ones we already have?
 
Acs said:
I found this article interesting and somewhat related. Not Chevy, but implications for NASCAR engines in general.

Ford Says no to F1 due to high cost, road relevance.

Basically saying Ford won't do an F1 engine program because it costs a ton of money and lack of relevance to production models.



So the obvious retort that came up immediately from the community was, "What about NASCAR?". Why is Ford involved in NASCAR if these are their stated goals? Low cost, high relevance, technological development, good marketing, these all sound like reasonable goals that I bet a lot of other manufacturers would have. Yet NASCAR seems to meet none of these right now. Going beyond attracting new manufacturers to NASCAR, could the calculus be tilting against the current ones we already have?
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NASCAR fans buy a lot of trucks. Trucks are very profitable for Ford. NASCAR doesn't cost a bajillion dollars like F1.
 
... So the obvious retort that came up immediately from the community was, "What about NASCAR?". Why is Ford involved in NASCAR if these are their stated goals? Low cost, high relevance, technological development, good marketing, these all sound like reasonable goals that I bet a lot of other manufacturers would have. Yet NASCAR seems to meet none of these right now. Going beyond attracting new manufacturers to NASCAR, could the calculus be tilting against the current ones we already have?
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Completely random speculation: A point could be made easily that NASCAR has little to do with those stated goals. However, being in NASCAR has a much greater marketing appeal for Ford's target customers than F1. I couldn't guess more than two manufacturers in F1, and probably get one of them wrong, but this US car buyer can tell you every one that's participated in NASCAR for the last 30 years.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Completely random speculation: A point could be made easily that NASCAR has little to do with those stated goals. However, being in NASCAR has a much greater marketing appeal for Ford's target customers than F1. I couldn't guess more than two manufacturers in F1, and probably get one of them wrong, but this US car buyer can tell you every one that's participated in NASCAR for the last 30 years.
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Yeah, I see what you mean. Of the four criteria they mentioned- low cost, road relevance, technologic development, and good marketing- I suspect it is the fourth one that trumps all the negatives of the other three, for now at least. With fewer people watching this sport that may change. Something might have to give on the other three to make up for a decline in marketing value.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
... I couldn't guess more than two manufacturers in F1, and probably get one of them wrong, ...
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Ferrari? Lamborghini? How am I doing? Gimme a third shot; Porsche, maybe?

I suspect none of them are manufacturers I would ever find myself in the market for. I'd certainly never buy any of those I guessed. In mid-2018 I'll be looking at Toyota seriously (among others) and will at least check the reviews on GMs and Fords. I doubt I can say that about any manufacturer involved in F1. Mazda, maybe? Yeah, I know; that's four.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Ferrari? Lamborghini? How am I doing? Gimme a third shot; Porsche, maybe?

I suspect none of them are manufacturers I would ever find myself in the market for. I'd certainly never buy any of those I guessed. In mid-2018 I'll be looking at Toyota seriously (among others) and will at least check the reviews on GMs and Fords. I doubt I can say that about any manufacturer involved in F1. Mazda, maybe? Yeah, I know; that's four.
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Ferrari: yes.
the rest: no
 
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